I thought you were going to waste your time elsewhere?
How to oppose this "think 25" shite?
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I thought you were going to waste your time elsewhere?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Does it help you if you believe that?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes, that's it exactly. It was case of people occasionally being ID'd if you looked under 18 - and even then it was a rarity. It never happened to me (or anyone I knew at the time) at all, in fact - and I was a fairly boyish-looking person in my early 20s.
Now you've got the situation where people in their 30s are being ID'd all the fucking time, regardless of the appropriateness of the situation. On top of that, the forms of ID demanded from people who are clearly not under 18 are nothing short of absurd.
People who want to defend the indefensible and support this shite really can just fuck right off, as far as I'm concerned. This prevailaing attitude of "defend-the-indenfesible-nomatter-what" is an ugly trait in society that I've just about had it with.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes I would object. As I say, I've just had it with all this shit and don't think we should give it any more inches - they've taken a fucking light-year already.
OK. But then why are 'licensing hours' and Labour purportedly relaxing them (although I've seen little evidence of it) hysterically blamed for underaged drinking?
Well put. As with a lot of hysterical knee-jerk legislation in Britain, it appears to have happened without actual regard to how big the problem actually was. I used to look at pictures like the famous one which the Mail constantly prints of a 12 year old boy drinking a can of Stella and think "Good taste that boy, he's already realised Carling is shit", no but seriously I'd look at that and was really worried, when I was returning from China, that the country would be full to the brim with knifing, boozed up, obnoxious, teenagers, but I'm afraid to say, it isn't. It really really isn't.
Unless Newcastle upon Fucking Tyne, yeah, real glamorous home county place that, is some major paradise-like exception...
Is that the best you can do when someone doesn't share your world view?
Do you think alcohol should be legally sold to all, including the drunk and children? If so.
Very very very very pisspoor strawman
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
I really wish you would come up with some answers rather than the responses you're giving?
You're railing (rightly or wrongly) and using emotive unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence without addressing or attempting to address an issue. To say lots of people in their 30s are being asked 'all the fucking time' is ridiculous and undermines any point you're trying to make.
No-one is pretending the current situation is ideal, but sitting on your hands (well not when you're posting obviously) and maintaining the status quo isn't working either?
To date all you have come up with is 'leaving your shopping at the till' which if you hadn't noticed is what people do nowadays for a variety of reasons. If I leave a packet of scotch eggs at the till, will that confused with your protest?
If you go out most people nowadays carry keys, a phone (traceable), oyster card (in london - traceable), cash, cash card (traceable).. I really don't see what objection you would have to an untraceable card confirming your age?
Without another way of measuring someones maturity to drink - what do you suggest? What from of protest have you come up with?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Your placing the onus on those being pissed around to come up with a "better" alteranative to something that shouldn't be happening in the first place. That's a bit like a mugger insisting their victim should "come up with a better alternative" if they object to being mugged.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Perhaps you should re-read your OP?
The real problem is that *some* families don't spend enough time with their kids.
I plan to give my boy beer from about the age of about 9, like they do in most cocking countries which don't have these problems (if they're as big as the papers say). Small amounts of course. I will spend as much time as I can with him, he'll enjoy a bit of beer, the football, the pub (if it's permitted, lol) with me, and he'll get used to doing things on a sensible basis.
THIS IS HOW IT WORKS IN MOST COUNTRIES.
We don't think about addressing the lack of a family culture in Britain, we just bring in hysterical legislation.
I plan to give my boy beer from about the age of about 9, like they do in most cocking countries which don't have these problems (if they're as big as the papers say). Small amounts of course. I will spend as much time as I can with him, he'll enjoy a bit of beer, the football, the pub (if it's permitted, lol) with me, and he'll get used to doing things on a sensible basis.
THIS IS HOW IT WORKS IN MOST COUNTRIES.
We don't think about addressing the lack of a family culture in Britain, we just bring in hysterical legislation.
I'm in my 30s and you're talking bollocks. I can't think of the last time when myself or any of my peers were asked for ID, let alone 'all the fucking time.'
Get a grip man. Upsidedownwalrus talks about 'hysterical legislation,' but your warped and alarmist view of the world is far more ridiculous.
More fact free fuckwittery ...
The maximum penalty even for the lowest level of assault (common assault) is 6 months imprisonment and for assault on a juvenile a custodial sentence is likely.
The maximum penalty for supplying alcohol to someone under age is a fine of £2,500. A member of bar staff with no previous convictions for such offences would be likely to receive a fine of a couple of hundred pounds.
In relation to extended off-licence hours, I think. But I must say I have not seen massive connection between extended hours and under age drinking ... it's by far been deliberate or incompetent ignoring of the requirement not to sell to under 18s that has been the focus in everything I've seen.
Yeah - I just see constant blaming in the Wail etc of underage drinking on the fact that labour changed licensing hours....
Let's be honest though, how often do we really see under aged people, especially say 12-13 year olds (I mean I was 16 when I started buying alcohol and going to the pub), buying booze?
All this law is doing is pissing off people who are somewhat over the legal age to buy, and must look clearly so too.
I saw a woman, Iranian I think (just my hunch) in front of me in the queue in the co op, buying a bottle of red wine, she got declined, she must have been about 26. It's nucking futs.
Yeah - I just think it's the legislation which is daft.
And, as I said on a previous page, I must say that if anyone IDs me, I'll buy them a drink
(The checkout girl in Sainsburys who is quite interestingly flirty did it 'as a joke' the other day, though.
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tangerinedream
Density of Sound
I got asked for ID the other day. I am nearly thirty with clearly an 'aging' hairline. I just laughed and said 'I'm thirty' and the guy looked at me again and went, 'yeah' and served me.
So, know you know.
So, know you know.
What do you mean by "this law". There is NO law at all that requires anything other than taking reasonable steps to ensure that a purchaser is over 18. If you are talking about the rigid "No sale without ID if you look under 25" bollocks that is NOT the law - it is fuckwitted procedures by license holders and / or fuckwitted application of reasonable procedures by staff.
This is double good: 1. They thought and 2. They decided you were clearly over 18 and proceeded without further ado. (It would have been better if they'd done it in their head, but, hey, we can't have everything ...
)Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker said:
“I am delighted that recent efforts by Government and our enforcement partners on the ground to clamp down on underage sales are beginning to bite. I know that the industry has made significant efforts in recent years to educate staff and strengthen procedures.
“It is clear that the ‘Challenge 21’ policy is now becoming established as standard practice across the industry. This campaign clearly demonstrates that improvements can be made with only very few premises failing three times. However the underlying figures indicate there is still room for further improvements to stop the sales first time, every time.
“I am under no illusions that we need to continue to restrict the availability of alcohol to the under-18s and challenge the behaviour of people whose drinking causes damage to themselves and those around them. It’s a priority for me that the majority can continue to enjoy alcohol in moderation without being put at risk by the minority who abuse it.
“That’s why the Government’s alcohol strategy published this summer outlined how we will use new laws and licensing powers to bear down on irresponsibly-managed bars, pubs and off-licenses, at the same time as giving everyone the information they need to drink safely and responsibly.”
http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-releases/underage-sales-down
Yes the Home Office praising the scheme as evidence of good practice whilst threatining to crack down on the industry and impose tough new measures wouldn't have anything to do with it's take up now would it?
Ah, fair dos, I thought it was some new government legislation saying that anyone under 25 would have to basically have ID on them...
See that bit I've highlighted. It says "Challenge 21". Challenge 21 is NOT "Think 25". So why are you implying it is? Yet again instead of actually debating the facts, you invent something which isn't actually there. Why?
"Challenge 21" involves challenging anyone who looks below 21. That is sensible. Lots of people two or three years from any particular age. As people don't get an "I'm 18 now" tattoo on their fucking forehead on their birthday the only way of finding out is to challenge and ask for ID if they look like they may be.
That is NOT the fuckwitted "If you look under 25 (see how that number looks a bit different from 21? The second bit of it's all squiggly ...
) the you don't get served without ID" which is what people keep stating is "the law". It isn't. Nor is "Challenge 21" but "Challenge 21" is a long-standing, proportionate response to the issue and, as you have now helpfully proved, is also recommended good practice ...No probs. The way some the think appears to being enforced in a fuckwitted, "computer says no" way it is understandable that people get that impression.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Lots of my local shops use this and i think it is a good thing.
http://www.wsta.co.uk/Challenge-25.html
http://www.wsta.co.uk/Challenge-25.html
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
The next pissarse thing I can happening see is a "no sale of alcohol to anyone who's pregnent" policy. We've already got the silly little symbol on the bottles showing a pregnant woman with a line across - so I can just see this being the next "logical" (ans I use the word in it's loosest sense) step.
In China kids can buy booze if they want - it would just never occur to them to drink it unless it was with dinner.
I'm giving my boy little bits of beer as soon as he turns about 7.
Fuck our stupid anglo attitude to booze, it 's one of the stupidest things about Britain
I'm giving my boy little bits of beer as soon as he turns about 7.
Fuck our stupid anglo attitude to booze, it 's one of the stupidest things about Britain
Here in France, there are signs in the supermarket saying that no-one under 16 can buy booze.
And the parks and street corners are strangely empty of hoodie-clad youngsters sitting around drinking white cider. Presumably they're all indoors with Maman et Papa drinking Chateauneuf du Pape
(actually, we were at a public pique-nique on Sunday where there were quite a few families...and not a few teenagers taking a thoroughly responsible sip of vin rose along with maman et papa: boozing here really is no big deal)
Difference #1?Presumably they're all indoors with Maman et Papa drinking Chateauneuf du Pape
Unworkable, anti-democratic, smug, sanctimonious and ... well, you can fuck off, frankly.
I'll drink what and when I like, thankyou.
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