how the fuck can she be a judge?

[bemused]

if they are saying he was groomed by the child, then that is exactly what is being said.

and are deputy heads usually weak men? or men who have authority and know how to use that?

I don't think they are saying she groomed him into bed. I read it as the girl pursued him and he was too weak and pathetic not to take advantage of it. Given the number of cases of this type coming up in the press is seems that there are a few teacher who indeed have the same fundamental lack of character.

 

[8115]

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[comrade spurski]

No one is saying he's not guilty or isn't 100% to blame with having sex with her.

I don't think there is any doubt he's a weak man. I thought when Judges sentenced people that explained why they have given them the sentence and I read her comments in the context of her explaining why he wasn't getting jailed. No one here has actually read the entire text of her summary just the juicy bits that have been reported so that's worth bearing in mind.

Weak man? Thats how we are now describing middle aged school teachers having a sexual relationship with a school child he teaches?
Seriously?

 

[purenarcotic]

I don't think they are saying she groomed him into bed. I read it as the girl pursued him and he was too weak and pathetic not to take advantage of it. Given the number of cases of this type coming up in the press is seems that there are a few teacher who indeed have the same fundamental lack of character.

It isn't weakness. You have a moment of weakness when you buy a chocolate cake three days into the diet or a fag on a night out when you're meant to be quitting.

You don't have a moment of weakness for a prolonged and protracted period of time, when you are in a position of power, responsibility and trust, where you have had safeguarding training, have safeguarding leads to speak to, unions and other channels of support to access should you have concerns you want to talk through.

It's a total and utter abuse of his position.

 

[contracycle]

What teachers should do is walk away, escalate the matter to the head if they can't resolve it, speak to the child's parents, etc etc. What they should not do is fuck the schoolchild on numerous occasions.

I think you'll find I said exactly that. And that is why he is guilty. Nobody has tried to excuse him.

Do you honestly imagine if he hadn't been in a position of power over her that she would have developed the crush? It's all about that.

I honestly do not know, and I'm extremely hesitant to make assumptions. It reeks just a bit too much of a rather reductive and sexist prescription of female sexuality.

Neither you nor I know the facts of the case. It is entirely possible that the judge is wrong; but I don't see that you have enough information to assert baldly that this is so.

 

[weepiper]

I think you'll find I said exactly that. And that is why he is guilty. Nobody has tried to excuse him.



I honestly do not know, and I'm extremely hesitant to make assumptions. It reeks just a bit too much of a rather reductive and sexist prescription of female sexuality.

Neither you nor I know the facts of the case. It is entirely possible that the judge is wrong; but I don't see that you have enough information to assert baldly that this is so.

You do know she was fifteen don't you, i.e. under the age of consent when this began? It's got fuck all to do with a reductive and sexist prescription of female sexuality.

 

[toggle]

i'll just drop this in here

http://everydayvictimblaming.com/re...irl-isnt-a-scheming-temptress-she-is-a-child/

 

[contracycle]

So if it wasn't a nasty man lurking down a dark alley it's not as bad then? Tell that to all the people abused by people in authority. It's a shit argument.

There is a huge difference between "people abused by authority" and "star crossed lovers meet in inconvenient time and place".

 

[Looby]

There is a huge difference between "people abused by authority" and "star crossed lovers meet in inconvenient time and place".

You think they're star crossed lovers now? Being an adult in a position of authority is inconvenient? Oh please, you can't really believe the crap you're spouting!

 

[goldenecitrone]

There is a huge difference between "people abused by authority" and "star crossed lovers meet in inconvenient time and place".

Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou my RE teacher?

 

[contracycle]

You do know she was fifteen don't you, i.e. under the age of consent when this began?

Yes. And as I already pointed out, the fact that people between 14 and 16 may be the initiator of sexual contact is already something the law recognises as a mitigating factor. Because it happens in real life. It still has to be illegal, for good and obvious reasons, but it is still possible to make allowances for humans being human.

 

[comrade spurski]

I think you'll find I said exactly that. And that is why he is guilty. Nobody has tried to excuse him.



I honestly do not know, and I'm extremely hesitant to make assumptions. It reeks just a bit too much of a rather reductive and sexist prescription of female sexuality.

Neither you nor I know the facts of the case. It is entirely possible that the judge is wrong; but I don't see that you have enough information to assert baldly that this is so.

The judge has tried to excuse him...he was refered to as vulnerable she was refered to as grooming him....he was refered to as having good character while she was refered to as a stalker...she was a 16 year old school child...he was a teacher, he would have received lots of child protection training yet his behaviour is explained as his way of coping with his wifes difficult pregnancy...this is wrong...so therefore the judge is wrong

 

[bemused]

It isn't weakness.

I judge it as weakness, it's a weakness in your fundamental character not to resist pretty basic temptations. You have to be lacking in any moral character to be so weak that you take advantage of a 16 year old girl to make yourself feel better that, to me at least, it demonstrates a fundamental weakness in you as a human being.

I don't mean weakness in the context you cheated on your diet.

 

[weepiper]

Yes. And as I already pointed out, the fact that people between 14 and 16 may be the initiator of sexual contact is already something the law recognises as a mitigating factor. Because it happens in real life. It still has to be illegal, for good and obvious reasons, but it is still possible to make allowances for humans being human.

a 44 year old teacher taking advantage of a 15 year old pupil who fancies him isn't a human being human. It's a predatory abuser.

 

[weepiper]

Threads like this are always good for card marking.

 

[contracycle]

You think they're start crossed lovers now? Being an adult in a position of authority is inconvenient? Oh please, you can't really believe the crap you're spouting!

I'm not saying WHAT they were, because I do not know. What I am saying is that it sometimes happens, and that is why there is flexibility in the law to allow the judge to make the kind of decision she made.

 

[contracycle]

Threads like this are always good for card marking.

Mark me down as "not torch and pitchfork material".

 

[equationgirl]

Cool, where is the full text? I'd like to read it.

Read what I posted.

I said I have read more than one news article. I did not claim that I have read the full text of the transcript.

 

[equationgirl]

Mark me down as "not torch and pitchfork material".

No-one's turning into an angry mob, except on the crapness of the reporting. There's no torch carrying mob heading for his house, although the BBD helpfully printed the street he lives on.

 

[comrade spurski]

Mark me down as "not torch and pitchfork material".

Are the child protection charities complaining to be considered torch and pitch fork material?
No one on this thread has mentioned the sentencing... its the judges shit comments that are the issue being discussed so get over yourself

 

[contracycle]

No-one's turning into an angry mob, except on the crapness of the reporting. There's no torch carrying mob heading for his house, although the BBD helpfully printed the street he lives on.

Fine. And as I pointed out, that may be precisely the effect the judge intended to have. Because like it or not, we do live in a world were paediatricians get hounded out of their own homes by people who think they are paedophiles, and mobs can be incited to murder innocent people for the same.

 

[weepiper]

If anyone else fancies banging their heid aff this particular brick wall feel free, I'm out.

 

[equationgirl]

Fine. And as I pointed out, that may be precisely the effect the judge intended to have. Because like it or not, we do live in a world were paediatricians get hounded out of their own homes by people who think they are paedophiles, and mobs can be incited to murder innocent people for the same.

Yes, I know that. But there's no mob being incited on this thread.

 

[equationgirl]

If anyone else fancies banging their heid aff this particular brick wall feel free, I'm out.

Ditto.

 

[contracycle]

Maybe, maybe not. All I'm pointing out is that the judged may have felt it necessary to make things clear for fear that it might, somewhere.

 

[discokermit]

Because like it or not, we do live in a world were paediatricians get hounded out of their own homes by people who think they are paedophiles,

no we don't. you mug.

 

[discokermit]

"star crossed lovers meet in inconvenient time and place".

do you own a fedora?

 

[Gromit]

i love watching people making legal judgements without spending days hearing and reviewing all the evidence and with no legal training to back up their decisions.

Who needs courts?!

 

[trashpony]

i love watching people making legal judgements without spending days hearing and reviewing all the evidence and with no legal training to back up their decisions.

Who needs courts?!

Yeah you're right! No one can possibly have an opinion about a verdict unless they were in the room.

Luckily, the Attorney General disagrees with you.

 

[friedaweed]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30824569

The Attorney General is to consider whether a suspended sentence handed to a religious studies teacher who had a sex with a pupil should be reviewed.

So we just need Judge Joanna Greenburg reviewed now

Fucking ridiculous comments to make in her position

As the father of a 15 year old daughter I'm leaving the thread.

We both hate religious studies and any further judgements from me would be clouded by my emotions.