i'm answering the question of 'how much coding do you need to learn to design websites?'
and clearly the answer is 'none'.
of course, cross-knowledge is preferable when working on a project with different disciplines.
how much coding do you need to learn to design websites?
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i'm answering the question of 'how much coding do you need to learn to design websites?'
and clearly the answer is 'none'.
of course, cross-knowledge is preferable when working on a project with different disciplines.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
yes
i would say whatever you end up doing understanding html is a good thing (it is easy too)
i would say whatever you end up doing understanding html is a good thing (it is easy too)
untethered
For industry & decency
Only in the most absurdly reductionistic sense. You can compose a symphony with no ability to play music nor knowledge of music notation, but it wouldn't be good advice to aspiring composers to ignore these things.
The best advice to aspiring web designers is to learn at least the basics of HTML and CSS before you even look at something like Dreamweaver.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
yes i would to suggest learning html and have an understanding of css if you are going to design for web sites it will make things easier for all parties involved
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
I don't know why people are writing that you need a knowledge of PHP in order to make an advanced website... haven't you ever heard of a Content Management System?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Have you ever tried making one do what you want it to, rather than what existing modules allow, without knowledge of PHP?
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
a person who makes a site is different from a web designer
in the same way fixing your car with a hayes manual doesn't make you a car mechanic
in the same way fixing your car with a hayes manual doesn't make you a car mechanic
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
What do you want it do for you, make you a cup of coffee in the morning? Give you a massage before you go to bed?
There are a number of well-developed CMS out there with stacks of third-party add-ons.
To be truly innovative then a knowledge of PHP or some other server-side script is essential, but all those not worrying about creating the next Facebook or MySpace...
untethered
For industry & decency
With many CMS you're just swapping one kind of complexity for another. For a quite specialist system like WordPress, running a blog is straightforward because it's oriented mostly towards that kind of task. For more general CMS, the more you deviate from the default way of doing things, the harder it will be.
I've installed CMSes in the past where I haven't even been able to work out how to create a single page after a reasonable amount of time trying.
Out of interest, do you recommend any particular system? None of the general CMSes I've used have been very straightforward.
I've installed CMSes in the past where I haven't even been able to work out how to create a single page after a reasonable amount of time trying.
Out of interest, do you recommend any particular system? None of the general CMSes I've used have been very straightforward.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Just little things like customising field types so that users can enter things and have them reformatted into useful links and HTML. I have to do this constantly with Drupal, which my current main client uses - sometimes to the extent of writing new modules for the really outré functions, but mostly little bits of PHP in footers and computed fields.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
yeah for example i have an seo book that tallks about customising wordpress to do things like adding no follows to links in comments
even if you don't know how i would want any webdesigner to understand why you wouls want to do that
even if you don't know how i would want any webdesigner to understand why you wouls want to do that
fractionMan
Custom Title
I can confirm that drupal is impossible to customise beyond the very basics unless you spend years understanding it's arcane innards. Piece of crap imo.
untethered
For industry & decency
I don't think there's a hard and fast distinction. Most people can take photographs but few would describe themselves as photographers. There are even fewer that you'd happily pay £1500 to photograph your wedding.
untethered
For industry & decency
untethered
For industry & decency
Haml is fun.
renders to:
Code:
!!!
%html
%head
%title My webpage
%body
%h1 Hello world!renders to:
Code:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.or
g/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>My webpage</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Hello world!</h1>
</body>
</html>
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Have you checked SilverStripe?
untethered
For industry & decency
In passing, but I haven't installed it yet. It looks promising.
Have you tried it? What's it like?
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