Fullyplumped
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Well I'm apologising now. Enjoy the rest of your evening.chymaera said:
How many unemployed are there?
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the figures have been fiddled so often that if this country seriously wanted to plan for the future there are no accurate figures to base it on.Also a lot of people in these nu jobs do not earn enough to substain a family or even themselfs.when ted heath complained of a quarter million unemployed those in work earned enough to pay their mortgage rent and still some could save .but that doesn't happen now
bluestreak
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there are lots of unemployed. most of them don't count to the government.
that's the best i can do.
that's the best i can do.
Fullyplumped
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Blackstone had this to say -chymaera said:
IDLENESS in any perfon whatfoever is alfo a high offence againft the public oeconomy. In China it is a maxim, that if there be a man who does not work, or a woman that is idle, in the empire, fomebody muft fuffer cold or hunger: the produce of the lands not being more than fufficient, with culture, to maintain the inhabitants; and therefore, though the idle perfon may fhift off the want from himfelf, yet it muft in the end fall fomewhere. The court alfo of Areopagus at Athens punifhed idlenefs, and exerted a right of examining every citizen in what manner he fpent his time; the intention of which was, that the Athenians, knowing they were to give an account of their occupations, fhould follow only fuch as were laudable, and that there might be no room left for fuch as lived by unlawful arts. The civil law expelled all fturdy vagrants from the city: and, in our own law, all idle perfons or vagabonds, whom our antient ftatutes defcribe to be “fuch as wake on the night, and fleep on “the day, and haunt cuftomable taverns, and ale-houfes, and routs about; and no man wot from whence they come, ne “whither they go;” or fuch as are moft particularly defcribed by ftatute 17 Geo. II. c. 5. and divided into three claffes, idle and diforderly perfons, rogues and vagabonds, and incorrigible rogues: --- all thefe are offenders againft the good order, and blemifhes in the government, of any kingdom.
And I think he may have had a point. 
(Edited To Add - I've just remembered that a sense of humour is not always to be found here, so in case it isn't apparent, that smiley was put in there for a reason. Nae offence like).
Paulie Tandoori
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The latest copy of Working Brief from the Centre for Economic and Social Inclusion has a variety of figures for the numbers of unemployed people.
On the ILO definition, there are 1,649,000 unemployed (a fall of 28,000 on last quarter), whereas under a broad unemployment definition, which includes unemployed benefit claimants as well as economically inactive benefit claimants who want to work and are available to start as being 2,275,000 (a fall of 38,000 on last quarter).
They also have a definition called 'Labour market slack' which includes all those who want to work (the unemployed, those on Government employment and training programmes, the economically inactive who want to work) and the full time equivalent of under-employment by those who are working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. This figure stands at 4,238,000, an increase of 55,000 on the last quarter.
The numbers in employment are currently 29,096,000, an increase of 84,000 over the last quarter. Employment is taken to include all work over one hour a week, including self employment, unpaid family work and Government employment and training programmes. That is equivalent to 74.4% of the working age population.
Finally, the official vacancy survey rose by10.8% over the year to September, to 662,700 vacancies. In August, there were 341,995 new vacancies notified to jobcentres. This is up 16.3% on last August.
On the ILO definition, there are 1,649,000 unemployed (a fall of 28,000 on last quarter), whereas under a broad unemployment definition, which includes unemployed benefit claimants as well as economically inactive benefit claimants who want to work and are available to start as being 2,275,000 (a fall of 38,000 on last quarter).
They also have a definition called 'Labour market slack' which includes all those who want to work (the unemployed, those on Government employment and training programmes, the economically inactive who want to work) and the full time equivalent of under-employment by those who are working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. This figure stands at 4,238,000, an increase of 55,000 on the last quarter.
The numbers in employment are currently 29,096,000, an increase of 84,000 over the last quarter. Employment is taken to include all work over one hour a week, including self employment, unpaid family work and Government employment and training programmes. That is equivalent to 74.4% of the working age population.
Finally, the official vacancy survey rose by10.8% over the year to September, to 662,700 vacancies. In August, there were 341,995 new vacancies notified to jobcentres. This is up 16.3% on last August.
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One of the Bank of England's policy committee thinks that increasing the supply of rented homes is a better way to bring down unemployment than labour market reforms that weaken unions, or employment protection.
Apparently, those countries with the highest levels of home ownership had the longer dole queues.
Also, there was no evidence that deregulating labour markets was the cure for unemployment.
It is presumed that labour market mobility is affected when you are a home-owner. More costly to move around it seems.
Apparently, those countries with the highest levels of home ownership had the longer dole queues.
Also, there was no evidence that deregulating labour markets was the cure for unemployment.
It is presumed that labour market mobility is affected when you are a home-owner. More costly to move around it seems.
Fullyplumped said:
You assume economically inactive means idle. The several people I know who are:- "economically inactive" have independent means but are certainly not idle. Volunteering for victim support and teaching illiterate adults on a one to one basis is not being idle.
Much charity work would come to a grinding halt if it were not for the "economically inactive".
Fullyplumped
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You're abfolutely right there, Chymaera; I hadn't thought of that and you've put me on the right road and no miftake.chymaera said:
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Which recent stats?durruti02 said:
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Don't you mean "Blackftone had thif to fay"?Fullyplumped said:
handyman121
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in france a few years ago it was pointed out that the average weight of an unemployed person was 80kg. as there were 2 million of them, they weighed 160,000 tonnes. putting them all on a diet and making them loose 5 kilos each would reduce the unemployment figures by 10,000 tonnes !
TheDave said:
thats what i am not sure .. i would not count carers or housewifes/husbands as unemployed
i understand , fully plumped? , there are c1.5 million officially unemployed PLUS c. a million on the sick who would work IF offerred decent work ( tree lover?? ) plus a significant number 500k+ who are not signing on as they are ducking and diving if which thehre is plenty of opportunity these days
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Astramax said:
Evidence?
Because I think you're counting recipients of tax credits in with that figure.
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