How many possible futures are there?

[cesare]

science is just another word for 'naivety'

because knowledge is impossible

I was tempted to use the random shuffle feature again on this post, to illustrate that whilst there might be some meaning to it somewhere, on the face of it - it looks like gibberish.

However, if really you are seeking to communicate a concept, why not post the reasoning behind this assertion? Step by step, so that it can be understood.

 

[the button]

science is just another word for 'naivety'

because knowledge is impossible

Apart from the knowledge that knowledge is impossible, etc, and so on. That'll probably turn out to be some special kind of "transcendent knowledge," though.

 

[max_freakout]

Apart from the knowledge that knowledge is impossible, etc, and so on. That'll probably turn out to be some special kind of "transcendent knowledge," though.

you cannot possibly know that knowledge is impossible (for obvious reasons)

 

[cesare]

you cannot possibly know that knowledge is impossible (for obvious reasons)

Then why did you say it?

 

[i-am-your-idea]

Then why did you say it?

if you only said things that you knew, you wouldnt say anything at all.

 

[cesare]

if you only said things that you knew, you wouldnt say anything at all.

I was tempted to use the random shuffle feature again on this post, to illustrate that whilst there might be some meaning to it somewhere, on the face of it - it looks like gibberish.

However, if really you are seeking to communicate a concept, why not post the reasoning behind this assertion? Step by step, so that it can be understood.

 

[max_freakout]

Then why did you say it?

because it is true

 

[Firky]

because it is true

But you said that was impossible?

 

[max_freakout]

why not post the reasoning behind this assertion? Step by step, so that it can be understood.

think about it, it is obvious

step by step:

step 1.knowledge is impossible

step 2.therefore saying something that you know is impossible

conclusion: therefore if you only ever said things you knew, you would never say anything (because you cant know anything)

QED

 

[i-am-your-idea]

I was tempted to use the random shuffle feature again on this post, to illustrate that whilst there might be some meaning to it somewhere, on the face of it - it looks like gibberish.

However, if really you are seeking to communicate a concept, why not post the reasoning behind this assertion? Step by step, so that it can be understood.

knowledge is impossible.

so a person who is mute unless they Know something, will be mute.

 

[cesare]

I'm going to have to switch that random shuffle generator back on again.

 

[cesare]

knowledge is impossible.

so a person who is mute unless they Know something, will be mute.

No, back to basics. Why is knowledge impossible? Step by step.

 

[max_freakout]

But you said that was impossible?

knowledge is impossible yes

 

[cesare]

knowledge is impossible yes

Explain the premise.

 

[Firky]

knowledge is impossible.

so a person who is mute unless they Know something, will be mute.

deep man deep.

let me take a hit on the bong.

 

[max_freakout]

Why is knowledge impossible?

because anything you believe might be wrong

 

[i-am-your-idea]

No, back to basics. Why is knowledge impossible? Step by step.

it isn't logical. its the secret foundation of logic!

 

[Firky]

because anything you believe might be wrong

but you're wrong by your very own reckoning wrong if you belive that. so do you believe it or not?

 

[max_freakout]

Explain the premise.

have a look at the 'epistemology' thread for the answer

any attempt to justify knowledge leads one into an infinite hamster wheel of justifications

 

[cesare]

because anything you believe might be wrong

Nope. Not getting it.

 

[cesare]

have a look at the 'epistemology' thread for the answer

any attempt to justify knowledge leads one into an infinite hamster wheel of justifications

I'm not particularly interested in searching for your explanation.

Can you just post it again please? It shouldn't take you long.

 

[Firky]

Nope. Not getting it.

maybe the doctor who operated on my mum is wrong, maybe her cancer wasn't going to kill her, maybe our knowledge of that is wrong?

 

[i-am-your-idea]

Nope. Not getting it.

whats in your way? a feeling, or a fact?

 

[max_freakout]

but you're wrong by your very own reckoning wrong if you belive that. so do you believe it or not?

there isnt really much point believing anything, life goes on whether you believe anything or not


so no i don't

 

[cesare]

whats in your way? a feeling, or a fact?

There's nothing in my way at all.

 

[Firky]

there isnt really much point believing anything, life goes on whether you believe anything or not


so no i don't

so no you don't what?

 

[Firky]

whats in your way? a feeling, or a fact?

perhaps you could explain it for us in layman terms?

 

[max_freakout]

maybe the doctor who operated on my mum is wrong, maybe her cancer wasn't going to kill her, maybe our knowledge of that is wrong?

it is interesting how people bring the most emotive subjects you could possibly think of, into these philosophy debates

first it was the jewish holocaust, now it is Firky's sick mother


either way, it doesnt change the fact that knowledge is utterly impossible

 

[cesare]

it is interesting how people bring the most emotive subjects you could possibly think of, into these philosophy debates

first it was the jewish holocaust, now it is Firky's sick mother


either way, it doesnt change the fact that knowledge is utterly impossible

What's interesting is your seeming lack of ability to explain the basis of your premise.

 

[max_freakout]

so no you don't what?

i dont hold any 'belief' either way, as to the possibility/impossibility of knowledge