Johnny Canuck3
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Mine, twice. Once on a motorcycle, once on a bicycle.
How many lives have been saved by helmets?
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wiskey
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this is a constant debate with us as i think derv needs to get a bike helmet now his bike is fixed -
however
there was an article in the paper recently saying that motorists give bike rider who are not wearing a helmet an average 7cm more space when overtaking them than those who are wearing one. so the perceived sense of safety isnt only with the rider.
and derv wont get one
i personally would rather wear a helmet than have a bus wing mirror smack me on the back of the head.
however
there was an article in the paper recently saying that motorists give bike rider who are not wearing a helmet an average 7cm more space when overtaking them than those who are wearing one. so the perceived sense of safety isnt only with the rider.
and derv wont get one
i personally would rather wear a helmet than have a bus wing mirror smack me on the back of the head.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
My boss's helmet definitely saved him from serious head injury and possibly saved his life (how do you decide what effect the helmet has really had though?)
He was in an MTB race and a military police landrover (which should not have been allowed to cross the race route without a marshal) crossed his pathand hit him, he was unable to stop in time and went smack into its front wing, went right over the top of it, smashing the windscreen with his head on the way, then landed on a fence.
His helmet broke into 6 separate pieces. He got away with severe bruising to the ribs and lots of glass cuts to his face.
He was in an MTB race and a military police landrover (which should not have been allowed to cross the race route without a marshal) crossed his pathand hit him, he was unable to stop in time and went smack into its front wing, went right over the top of it, smashing the windscreen with his head on the way, then landed on a fence.
His helmet broke into 6 separate pieces. He got away with severe bruising to the ribs and lots of glass cuts to his face.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
*revamps proximity-triggered aerosol paint can idea.*Crispy said:
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
I'm not sure why you think I'm obsessed with dangerous cyclists.nick1181 said:
I have seen plenty of cyclists riding idiotically and have done some idiotic things myself, even as recently as yesterday. Naturally I want to discuss the issues involved, but I am certainly not obsessed with them.
Paris Garters
Apparently back.
81% of deaths from cycling accidents are from head injuries...
I once heard them described as the difference between concussion and learning to walk and talk again.
And do i wear one? Do I fuck. Despite being an idiotic cyclist.
I once heard them described as the difference between concussion and learning to walk and talk again.
And do i wear one? Do I fuck. Despite being an idiotic cyclist.
damnhippie
shark sandwich
friend of mine was knocked off his bike earlier this year. he was in a coma for 2 weeks, during which time it wasn't clear whether he'd wake up.
he's now almost completely recovered. if he hadn't been wearing a helmet he'd be dead.
and i don't believe for one second that the fact that he was wearing a helmet contributed to the fact that he was knocked off.
he's now almost completely recovered. if he hadn't been wearing a helmet he'd be dead.
and i don't believe for one second that the fact that he was wearing a helmet contributed to the fact that he was knocked off.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I wear a helmet - a couple of years ago a friend of mine was knocked down by a lorry in Grosvenor Square and fell on his head - he was in a coma for a week and nearly died - he is still in recovery and will need care for the rest of his life. He was told if he'd worn a helmet his injury would have been reduced significantly.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I've also seen someone knocked down and killed - I know these are pure anecdote, but they're enough to me to mind I wear a helmet. It's no big deal to do it, so I might as well.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
dp
There's long been a debate amongst the motorcycle community as to whether the enforced use of helmets is a good thing.
Some argue that it's their right to decide whether to wear a helmet without 'Nanny' gov telling them what to do.
Many argue that without helmets they have a better sense of the environment they are riding through which can make vital seconds difference in reaction time to any possible road incident.
There's no argument that many people feel they save lives. But what are ignored are the lives they save.
Because of the design of most motorcycle helmets most collisions involving motorcyclists head has the head spin laterally. The weight of the helmet adds torque to the laterally spin of the head. Many motorcyclists have ended up paraplegic or quadriplegic as a result. I've heard from more than one ex-biker in a wheel chair after he's had a drink or two that if he knew what he knew now he'd not of worn the helmet at the accident.
The law and insistence on helmets for two wheel road users is a placebo. And a political placebo, at that. 'Nanny gov has declared she is doing the best for you and any who disagree are crack-pots or trouble makers.
There are good helmet designs out there. But employees and shareholders of motorcycle helmet manufacturers must also be considered.(I'll considered them. I'd burn the bloody factories down
) There was a particular interesting design being developed in Sweden. It fitted close to the head and was made of what I can only describe as overlapping scales. The UK gov took one look at the figures that suggested that his helmet may reduce paraplegic/quadriplegic injuries by 20+% and said it wasn't even worth testing in the UK. Or rather their mates in the motorcycle helmet manufacturers advised them of this.
Politics are being considered before riders lives, dignity and quality of life- I know I don't want to end up in a wheelchair because a bunch of chinless wonders in Whitehall decided what was good for me but more importantly what would be a 'popular' move with the electorate and the british business.
Some argue that it's their right to decide whether to wear a helmet without 'Nanny' gov telling them what to do.
Many argue that without helmets they have a better sense of the environment they are riding through which can make vital seconds difference in reaction time to any possible road incident.
There's no argument that many people feel they save lives. But what are ignored are the lives they save.
Because of the design of most motorcycle helmets most collisions involving motorcyclists head has the head spin laterally. The weight of the helmet adds torque to the laterally spin of the head. Many motorcyclists have ended up paraplegic or quadriplegic as a result. I've heard from more than one ex-biker in a wheel chair after he's had a drink or two that if he knew what he knew now he'd not of worn the helmet at the accident.
The law and insistence on helmets for two wheel road users is a placebo. And a political placebo, at that. 'Nanny gov has declared she is doing the best for you and any who disagree are crack-pots or trouble makers.
There are good helmet designs out there. But employees and shareholders of motorcycle helmet manufacturers must also be considered.(I'll considered them. I'd burn the bloody factories down
) There was a particular interesting design being developed in Sweden. It fitted close to the head and was made of what I can only describe as overlapping scales. The UK gov took one look at the figures that suggested that his helmet may reduce paraplegic/quadriplegic injuries by 20+% and said it wasn't even worth testing in the UK. Or rather their mates in the motorcycle helmet manufacturers advised them of this.Politics are being considered before riders lives, dignity and quality of life- I know I don't want to end up in a wheelchair because a bunch of chinless wonders in Whitehall decided what was good for me but more importantly what would be a 'popular' move with the electorate and the british business.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I heard about that helmet. Protected against twisting injuries by having the shell 'slip' around the outside. But then, surely any force large enough to twist your head that hard would also do some serious damage applied to the unproteced skull? And bicycle helmets are very different to motorbike ones - there's no impairment of vision or hearing (actually, mine has a rim that shelters my glasses from the worst of the rain)
Crispy said:
Hmm. I don't quite get your point. Any serious impact may do damage to the skull.
One of my points was why introduce a design that everybody knew produced a high degree of paraplegic/qaudraplics?!?
Bicycle helmets do give riders a false sense of security and they do give motor vehicle road users a sense that the bicyclist is much more secure/protected on the road than s/he is.
Herbsman. said:
Well I just did one, and it transpires that I'm not.
If you do a search on the word "cyclists"... 6/20 have been started by you. Not all will be about cyclists being dangerous of course, but there a fair few started by other people (eg: wtf cyclists with out lights ) where you appear almost instantly etc, as if lieing in wait.
No I'm not after an apology... it just seems a bit... well, you remind me of the cave-guide in the League of Gentlemen who's obsessed with cave accidents... "School trip tragedy – local man blamed"... so I was just wondering if you have in fact accidently killed a cyclist?
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
Heh, you're making me laugh, stop it
I wasn't going to waste my energy replying to your ridiculous post, but I've got nothing better to do, so I might as well.
Firstly, no I have not started 4 or 5 'dangerous cyclist' threads in the last month, and probably not even in the last two months. So, erm, yes you were talking out of your hoop.
Secondly, you think it's abnormal that a person who lives and breathes cycling has started lots of cycling threads? Oh, how strange!
And someone who rides all day every day in heavy traffic, is concerned about cycle safety, you say? Well I never! That is so shocking and unbelievable!
I am a cyclist. I spend a lot of time on a bicycle and in traffic and have lots of very hazardous experiences with bad drivers and a few experiences with bad cyclists every day. It can get frustrating. I spend a lot of time on Urban at the end of the day. Are you starting to see the connection? I talk about some of these experiences and voice some concerns, and vent some frustrations, that I don't want to bore my friends with, on Urban. That includes cycling and safety. Is it becoming clearer now?
Why on earth the idea has come into your head, that I may have killed a cyclist, I really don't know. I think you're being a little bit too creative and you're leading me to think that in fact you are the one with the obsession.
If you don't like what I write, put me on ignore, or just don't read it.
Who the fuck are you anyway, the U75 police?
I wasn't going to waste my energy replying to your ridiculous post, but I've got nothing better to do, so I might as well.
Firstly, no I have not started 4 or 5 'dangerous cyclist' threads in the last month, and probably not even in the last two months. So, erm, yes you were talking out of your hoop.
Secondly, you think it's abnormal that a person who lives and breathes cycling has started lots of cycling threads? Oh, how strange!
And someone who rides all day every day in heavy traffic, is concerned about cycle safety, you say? Well I never! That is so shocking and unbelievable!
I am a cyclist. I spend a lot of time on a bicycle and in traffic and have lots of very hazardous experiences with bad drivers and a few experiences with bad cyclists every day. It can get frustrating. I spend a lot of time on Urban at the end of the day. Are you starting to see the connection? I talk about some of these experiences and voice some concerns, and vent some frustrations, that I don't want to bore my friends with, on Urban. That includes cycling and safety. Is it becoming clearer now?
Why on earth the idea has come into your head, that I may have killed a cyclist, I really don't know. I think you're being a little bit too creative and you're leading me to think that in fact you are the one with the obsession.
If you don't like what I write, put me on ignore, or just don't read it.
Who the fuck are you anyway, the U75 police?
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