How many "anarchists" are actually just vacuous drop-outs?

[Barking_Mad]

I do not understand the situation. Who is this 'anarchist' - the landlord, a local gang-leader, or what? By what right does he prevent people from calling on others?

What right does he have to speak other peoples behalf and let him in? Surely if they are spoken to directly they can decide for themselves?

 

[Das Uberdog]

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, he's actually still active in the AF.

Edit: actually, if he's in Respect, we're thinking of two completely different people.

I can't possibly comment on Preston SolFed, mind you.

As far as he's told me, AF haven't actually been 'active' - and the group's a baby in Preston anyway.

 

[In Bloom]

As far as he's told me, AF haven't actually been 'active' - and the group's a baby in Preston anyway.

I'm not interested in getting into a sectarian shit fight over it, but I know for a fact that Preston AF were involved in that social centre ("Six fingers" or something) that used to be a community centre, sounded like a fantastic little campaign to me.

But yeah, I'm not even sure if we've got a proper local group going in Preston atm, SolFed are bigger there.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The definition of anarchism is not the point of this thread. I think a person who calls themselves an "anarchist" but never does anything substantial to try and advance the cause is a fake.

If you dont think there are quite a lot of people using the title "anarchist" as a trendy badge of convinience for a self-centred dropout lifestyle funded by the er...not very anarchist state, you are a tad naive methinks.

right so it is about people you perceive as lifestylers and judge to be less than you in which case there is no discourse to be had here...

prejudice is one which i don't have time to wet nurse you into thinking intellgently with sorry.. .

hope you die of cancer you clearly aren't a nice human ...

 

[In Bloom]

hope you die of cancer you clearly aren't a nice human ...

The ironing is delicious

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The ironing is delicious

i'm aware


tho of course as usual you are quite wrong...

someone say's hi i'd like to bug the fuck out of people in your block with MY political ideas and someone say thanks but no piss off then decideds that all people associated with this group are nothing but wasterels and scrongers and do nothing of pupose within a narrow field defintition of their polictial bent then bposes the troll to sucker people into defending their polcital beleifs in order to shore up the trolls politcal belifes why would anyoen wish to justify themselves to this cunt... fuck em i hope they rot...

 

[In Bloom]

i'm aware

Well everybody's happy then

 

[butchersapron]

i'm aware

Barely

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Barely

 

[In Bloom]

tho of course as usual you are quite wrong...

someone say's hi i'd like to bug the fuck out of people in your block with MY political ideas and someone say thanks but no piss off then decideds that all people associated with this group are nothing but wasterels and scrongers and do nothing of pupose within a narrow field defintition of their polictial bent then bposes the troll to sucker people into defending their polcital beleifs in order to shore up the trolls politcal belifes why would anyoen wish to justify themselves to this cunt... fuck em i hope they rot...

Have you actually read the thread? Silly boy.

 

[butchersapron]

I was trying to be nice to you gareth. Benefit of doubt and that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I was trying to be nice to you gareth. Benefit of doubt and that.

Hmmm, you called him "Gareth". Careless.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

GarfieldLeChat

"right so it is about people you perceive as lifestylers"

No. My perception about individuals could be wrong. It is about lifestylers per se, not my perception.

" and judge to be less than you"

No. That I judge to be fake, because they are. That doesnt mean "less than me" - I might be a fake or they could be "more than me" in other ways.

"hope you die of cancer you clearly aren't a nice human"

There is a rather funny double standard in that sentence, I wonder if you can spot it.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

GarfieldLeChat

"right so it is about people you perceive as lifestylers"

No. My perception about individuals could be wrong. It is about lifestylers per se, not my perception.

so why mention the indivial in your intial post. it clearly isa snide swipe at them hence all the bile in the first place as well as the pomous sentiament which is tantamount to saying who do they think they are denying me access with their previous form. It's quite insipid that you think you have a right to bother people, like your part of some religious cult...

" and judge to be less than you"

No. That I judge to be fake, because they are. That doesnt mean "less than me" - I might be a fake or they could be "more than me" in other ways.

by what standards based on what what info on what defination etc...

without your defintition of arachism which you then expect others to confirm or deny your pereception of people you haev dismissed as lifestylers, who you freely admit you actually know little about, you observance of fake is immaterial to them, why should they feel a need a purpose to justify themselves to you and your assumed standards.

party policts is the fake, it represents a layer above normal human interaction to co opt wholesale a view point of the least bad option rather than real world solutions, a comprimise where no one is happy...

but we digress this thread is about your dislike of being told no when you attempted to preach your gospel rather than some other underpinning naritive or discourse...

you are assuming they are less than you hence the seperation statement 'they are fake' translated this means actually they are less than me, i am more real than they are to my prinipcals this makes me more than they are this justifies what i'm doing, my conformance...

"hope you die of cancer you clearly aren't a nice human"

There is a rather funny double standard in that sentence, I wonder if you can spot it.

ignore the rhetoric look at the seniment, party poltics and it's conversion lobby are a waste of DNA instead of doig something which beinfits humanity you do something which swells the ranks of your cult. As such all cultist should die hopefully a long drawn out painful death it's nothing short of what any politcal party would inflict on the rest of the society or world and anyone who recruits for that machine needs a real long drawn out death to bring reality into sharp focus so that at the end of it they can say no i really wasted my life...

 

[smokedout]

Apart from some anti-airport stuff over 10 years ago I have NEVER known this bloke to do ANYTHING in ANY community or activist group, and I probably would know. Certainly isnt with AF or Solfed.

you dont seem to know much about anarchists

very few anarchists are with af or solfed, or aligned to any other group

but we are everywhere

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

GarfieldLeChat

"so why mention the indivial in your intial post"

Probably not the best idea, I didnt mean the discussion to hang on that instance.

"Its quite insipid that you think you have a right to bother people, like your part of some religious cult..."

At election time it is perfectly fine to canvass people. Most people welcome it - they are at liberty to tell me to piss off, very few actually do. If people arent canvassed they complain. No matter what one does, there's always someone wholl slag you off for it.

I actually wrote a longer reply that got screwed by an IT glitch. In defining anarchism I would separate the theory from the implentation. I want to see a world with much much less hierarcy - I think that can be achieved especially in fairly small communities. Most people seem to disagree with me.

My own aspiration for society would be quite eco-anarcho-socialist but I dont think "the system" will collapse in enough time for such a society to deal with climate change, peak oil etc.

I am fully aware of the faults of the party system and equally aware of anarchists en masse to have substantially challenged it in contemporary society.


"your observance of fake is immaterial to them" - Yes it is, and they may be fake or they may not. Calling yourself an anarchist doesnt make you one. That is my main point I guess.

"party policts is the fake, it represents a layer above normal human interaction to co opt wholesale a view point of the least bad option rather than real world solutions, a comprimise where no one is happy..."

Probably the most worthwhile thing youve said on the thread. Ideally there would be no need for political parties, just as Marx ideally would have wished the withering away of the state.

But authorities have real power over planning, transport etc. etc. which wont change any time soon. The more elected reps there are who are likely to put people and planet before power and profit the better. No amount of anarchist sniping changes that.

"As such all cultist should die hopefully a long drawn out painful death"

This is a little disturbed and more than a little juvenile, doing little credit to the rest of what you say

I hate to restate it, but the clear point of the thread is to discern how many people who say they are anarchists actually pursue the cause. Living the lifestyle is better than many other lifestyles, but many might be faking that too.

I am also constantly fascinated that some "anarchists" who decry the state get the vast bulk of their income from a state that was implemented by a large and beuracratic socialist-ish party.

The anecdote has clearly been a red herring for which I apologise. For what its worth, most who have voted in this unscientific poll state that most people who say they are anarchists are "strictly armchair"

I dont agree with that, but I think a lot are and I dont think they do the cause very much service.

 

[butchersapron]

I hate to restate it, but the clear point of the thread is to discern how many people who say they are anarchists actually pursue the cause

You keep telling yourself that 'luv. You might just convince yourself.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

you dont seem to know much about anarchists

very few anarchists are with af or solfed, or aligned to any other group

but we are everywhere

AF and Solfed are just 2 instances of things I knew this person not to be associated with. There are plenty of others. I dont want it to be about this person though, rather the generality of people who say they are something without doing anything concrete about it.

It reminds me a bit of all those people in Che T shirts and CCCP footie tops. Some of them may be active socialists, trade unionists and general good eggs. But if all of them were we might have a very different society.

Using "anarchism", "socialism" or "environmentalism" as some kind of badge while doing next to F all about it is a bit problematic while the mainstream is so conservative.

If progressives do F all they are basically complicit in the status quo and somewhat hypocritical.

 

[butchersapron]

What other things is he not associated with? Fuck them all too? Neath RFU?

 

[In Bloom]

At election time it is perfectly fine to canvass people. Most people welcome it - they are at liberty to tell me to piss off, very few actually do. If people arent canvassed they complain. No matter what one does, there's always someone wholl slag you off for it.

If you're so sure that most people would be delighted to have some liberal they've never met before show up on their doorstep preaching at them, why didn't you just push people's doorbells individually? After all, if somebody wants to hear what you have to say, they'll let you in.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If you're so sure that most people would be delighted to have some liberal they've never met before show up on their doorstep preaching at them, why didn't you just push people's doorbells individually? After all, if somebody wants to hear what you have to say, they'll let you in.

Many of them have met me. I did ring on individual bells, but this was an outside intercom. The vast majority of people who answer an intercom let me in. I am only liberal in the sense of being (hopefully) "open minded and generous" as one dictionary definition puts it. My politics are neither Liberal nor neo-liberal.

 

[butchersapron]

Many of them have met me. I did ring on individual bells, but this was an outside intercom. The vast majority of people who answer an intercom let me in. I am only liberal in the sense of being (hopefully) "open minded and generous" as one dictionary definition puts it. My politics are neither Liberal nor neo-liberal.

Why didn't you try someone else then instead of running here and starting a bizzarre thread?

 

[butchersapron]

Why would it being an outside intercom stop you ringing another bell? This fantasy never even happened did it?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Why would it being an outside intercom stop you ringing another bell? This fantasy never even happened did it?

I did ring another bell.

Canvassing low-rose blocks is a pain. Canvassing over an intercom is a bigger pain. As a result many people in them never get canvassed and, believe it or not, are grateful when someone makes the effort.

 

[PJW20]

gwyrdd boy. beth sy'n bod? Which party were you pushing? The green party?? And what difference do they actually make? -

"they makes none,....and you're a cunt,
And you should be feeling sick and ill today"

 

[butchersapron]

I did ring another bell.

Canvassing low-rose blocks is a pain. As a result many people in them never get canvassed and, believe it or not are grateful when someone makes the effort.

So stop whinging then. More of them curse the person who let you in i reckon.

 

[In Bloom]

Many of them have met me. I did ring on individual bells, but this was an outside intercom. The vast majority of people who answer an intercom let me in.

So what's your problem? The guy didn't want to let you in because he didn't want to be canvassed and could see any reason why you should call on him to let you in to canvass people, he didn't actually prevent you talking to anybody else, did he?

am only liberal in the sense of being (hopefully) "open minded and generous" as one dictionary definition puts it. My politics are neither Liberal nor neo-liberal.

If you say so.

Green party, lol.

 

[In Bloom]

So stop whinging then. More of them curse the person who let you in i reckon.

Aye, I tell anybody who shows up canvassing at mine to fuck off. As if people can't make up their minds without some party hack gibbering at them.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I hate to restate it, but the clear point of the thread is to discern how many people who say they are anarchists actually pursue the cause. Living the lifestyle is better than many other lifestyles, but many might be faking that too.

seen the rest will respond shortly but just wanted to say you seem to draw a distinction which is that anarchist who fail to live to some exacting standard which you assume they should. Are these standards applied to 'conventional' poltical faiths? if so consdiering the low level action of an anarchist compared to say an illegal war the state murder (forced sucide, driven to sucide you decide which fits best about kelly...) the interment of peoples with out trial the abolishintion of privacy, social value and implamentation of a 'big brother' state. how would you say that chimes with a common mandate from the masses to run things... would you not consider that all party politcal actions to be fake they say we're doign this for your own good but in reailty are doign it for their own good i comparitive magnitiude i'd clean your own house befroe attendign to others...

or face the call of hypocrite...

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't bother answering garf taffboy. Pointless.