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How important is money to you?

How important is money to you?


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Iemanja said:
I see this poll from a context where some people's main aim in life is to have money to be able to consume and own things they don't really need. For them money is important.

For people who don't have enough of it, money is a necessity but not what they strive for.

From that perspective I don't think money is important at all, money is only an issue, personally, when I don't have enough of it to pay for the basic stuff and have a certain minimum standard of living. I don't actually enjoy making money or see that as the main aim in my life.

Kinda sums up my feelings on money. As long as I can feed my family and pay bills I'm ok.

I'm never going to be loaded coz I'm really not interested in being so and not prepared to work myself to an early grave for it iyswim.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
No an argument here just to point out that wars were often religious and many people have always profited from wars. Arrowsmiths for example. Bomb makers today. War is profitable.

More profitable than convenience and entertainment possibly.

Wars were fought for 'moral' reasons...e.g. The crusades were to take back the homelands for the glory of god. Also due to Luthers concept of the "calling" when someone was in a specialised occupation such as arrowmaking they were required to profit if god had shown them an opportunity to do so. "A faithful christian was follow the call by taking advantage of the opportunity" (Weber 1930; 162)

People could prove their grace and know they were going to heaven through intense labour

To deny the accumulation of wealth would lead to not being allowed into heaven.
 
subversplat said:
I'm an expert on living for nothing (or at least living so that you get to spend as much of your giro on drink and drugs as possible :D)

I think some people who have lived on very little are good at this, while others just get deeper in debt. Not condoning the brackets bit though :p

We lived below the official poverty line for a couple of years(2 adults, 2 kids) and got by. Now by comparison we're reasonably off.
 
Iemanja said:
I see this poll from a context where some people's main aim in life is to have money to be able to consume and own things they don't really need. For them money is important.

For people who don't have enough of it, money is a necessity but not what they strive for.

From that perspective I don't think money is important at all, money is only an issue, personally, when I don't have enough of it to pay for the basic stuff and have a certain minimum standard of living. I don't actually enjoy making money or see that as the main aim in my life.
Sums up how I feel about money - well put :)

I need money to pay the mortgage/bills, to eat, to clothe us, but I like a bit extra to spend on music and books, and to travel a bit further than just where me feet can take me in a day.
 
joffle said:
Wars were fought for 'moral' reasons...

No. Wars were fought by paid soldiers. The better soldiers formed thier own private armies and often fought for both sides. Nothing of a moral Christian belief in that! It was all about money. Pure moraless greed.

And, it still is.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
No an argument here just to point out that wars were often religious and many people have always profited from wars. Arrowsmiths for example. Bomb makers today. War is profitable.

More profitable than convenience and entertainment possibly.

Hey, you forgot wars were fought for resources too. And religion was simply a justification - always done in "in god's name"

Human nature doesn't change because people never change.
 
Aldebaran said:
You started with the wrong question.
There are very few societies today where people don't need money to be able to function within their society. Hence it is for everyone in such societies important to have it. Hence this isn't about the importance of money, but the importance of materialism on a personal base.



No.
First of all you can't choose where you are born. It is not my fault that I am not poor, just as much as it is nobody's fault to be born in a slumb.
The Capitalist system however and especially the US type focusses on the gathering of money as if that should be everybody's first and most important goal in life.
Those who don't/can't follow this are looked as "incompetent" or "lazy" or "loosers".
This is the direct result of Capitalism's need to constantly create and sustain the want for superficial goods = to create, sustain and relentlessly encourage consumerism. To get and sustain such a society its inhabitants *must* be indoctrinated with the idea and belief that creation of wealth is a first necessity in their life. For that everything else must be make room.
First make money, then spend it, then think you live because you have money and can spend it, then maybe get a life when you are almost old enough to drop dead. (the so called "midlife crisis" when people all of a sudden want to "start all over again.)

salaam.

Capitalism is a flawed system, but imo it's preferable to one where religious and societal conditioning are used by the ruling class to delude the poor, that their poverty is somehow a sign of piety or greater morality, thus allowing the rich/ruling class to maintain their position.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
No. Wars were fought by paid soldiers. The better soldiers formed thier own private armies and often fought for both sides. Nothing of a moral Christian belief in that! It was all about money. Pure moraless greed.

And, it still is.


how do you explain conscription then?
 
Root of all evil. I am shocked that you've never heard of an alternative NoEgo.
your use of the word "capitalism" suggests that you think there is a better word (...) to replace it.
An economic system is just a word!You can't mean this... by that reasoning if I go around thinking I'm rich, I'll have enbough money to pay the bills!
 
Blagsta said:
Couldn't live without it. I need it to pay my rent and bills, buy food etc.
Well this is obvious really but that wasn't the sense in which I answered the question money is not fundamentally important to me, I don't measure my success by its acquisition and I'm not prepared to make any great sacrifices (such as selling my soul to a company with what I might term dubious morals) for to get more of it - though I guess everyone has a price but the price on offer doesn't even nearly match up and I'm pretty sure it never will.
 
Unfortunately money is important, I need it to buy food, clothes, shelter and fuel. I certainly don't intend to go out of my way to become rich I just want enough to have a fairly decent standard of living. I'm having trouble deciding what course to take and whether to follow my heart, my head or both. It's not a case of what is going to bring me more money it's a case of what is going to give me a sustainable income in the future, so money is important as it's an important factor in the decision i'm trying to make now.
 
in the past i've not given a crap about money, which is why i am currently in hiding from my creditors. i still don't care about it, except as a tool, or a way of keeping count. but at least i can force myself out of bed to get it now.
 
yes it's important, if i do without luxuries, i still need to have a certain income to pay my mortgage, pay bills, buy food, pay for travel...
 
118118 said:
Root of all evil. I am shocked that you've never heard of an alternative NoEgo.
An economic system is just a word!You can't mean this... by that reasoning if I go around thinking I'm rich, I'll have enbough money to pay the bills!

An alternative what?

Sorry I don't understand your 2nd sentence.

Of course money is not the root of all evil. Some people are simply evil, period. You're mistaking the causal relationship between money and evil. There simply is no relationship.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Capitalism is a flawed system, but imo it's preferable to one where religious and societal conditioning are used by the ruling class to delude the poor, that their poverty is somehow a sign of piety or greater morality, thus allowing the rich/ruling class to maintain their position.

Don't know who said it but - "Perfection does not exist. To understand this is the triumph of human intelligence; to expect to possess it is the most dangerous kind of madness"

I quit ideological thinking quite some time ago because:

A) It was a waste of time.

B) Whilst in theory it sounds like good idea, you could never implement it in practice

C) It wouldn't work anyway even if you did.
 
Sorry. "Capitalism" isn't a word, earlier poster had a probelm with the economy, not what people call it!
You said.. see above.
I don't know if evil is the right word, I don't know what evil is to you, rape murder, then sure these things can be caused by poverty, which is caused by money.
 
118118 said:
Sorry. "Capitalism" isn't a word, earlier poster had a probelm with the economy, not what people call it!
You said.. see above.
I don't know if evil is the right word, I don't know what evil is to you, rape murder, then sure these things can be caused by poverty, which is caused by money.

If you lived in poverty would you rape or murder someone?
 
118118 said:
So your denying that poverty causes crime?

If by definition of crime you mean murdering or raping someone from an evil perspective then yes.

Don't forget that having money still doesn't stop people from commiting the above.
 
Aldebaran said:
First of all you can't choose where you are born. It is not my fault that I am not poor, just as much as it is nobody's fault to be born in a slumb.
That raises an interesting point, for whereas it may be true that one cannot choose where one is born or whether one is poor (even as an adult), it's not strictly true that an adult is not at fault for being not-poor.

I assume that any adult who chooses, can divest themselves of all wordly possessions and wander off into the distance wearing a sack-cloth (or dustbin-bag, or whatever,) and, thus, could be said to be "at fault" for being not-poor.

:)

Woof
 
Maybe I just Jelous of footballers how much they get for kick a football.
Look at my big house, flashy car, gold watch, Im richer then YOU im so inportent :rolleyes:

myself not interested in money,

Food,Health,Home,Education
 
There isnt a relationship between money and evil, but there's certainly a relationship between power (which usually = money in a capitalist society) and the ability and even the willingness to commit horrendous acts simply because you can...

that doesn't necessarily mean power in terms of the government either, it can mean power as in who is dominant in a relationship or whatever as well

having said that i think that its essential to have some power and control over your situation and the way your life's going ... and that comes hand in hand with earning money since the more money you have you will be able to do that ...

and money is essential for living, paying bills etc

i know that in an anarchist society that wouldn't happen (although there'd probably be some other ways to do that) but this is the real world ...
 
NoEgo said:
from an evil perspective then yes.
What on earth does that mean. You sound as if you are begging the question.
Money is not evil
But money causes crime
Ahh, but money cannot cause *evil* crime
iyswim
I think its pretty damn evil that I have to have a job!
 
Jessiedog said:
That raises an interesting point, for whereas it may be true that one cannot choose where one is born or whether one is poor (even as an adult), it's not strictly true that an adult is not at fault for being not-poor.

True, but we don't live alone and are born with responsibilities, if we like that or not.
Would I bring myself to poverty what advantage does that bring to people for whom my money means prosperity or advantage in today's situation?
If the answer is a negative then I am not free to make myself poor.

salaam.
 
Aldebaran said:
True, but we don't live alone and are born with responsibilities, if we like that or not.
Would I bring myself to poverty what advantage does that bring to people for whom my money means prosperity or advantage in today's situation?
No advantage.




If the answer is a negative then I am not free to make myself poor.

salaam.
I disagree. You are totally free to make yourself (and those who depend upon you) poor.

That was my point.

I do accept, however, that my pedantry is complete.

:)

Woof
 
Of course its the root of all evil,still be nice to have some though but i'm not that bothered that i'm poor
 
Jessiedog said:
I disagree. You are totally free to make yourself (and those who depend upon you) poor.

That was my point.

I know that was your point, but my argument is that my morality (to avoid speaking of religious commands and duties which also encompass this morality) prevents me from doing so.
= Me being the person I am prevents me to be free to make myself poor = there are inbuilt limitations to this freedom which I can't cross without making myself a stranger to myself, and in addition a stranger on whom I would look with nothing but contempt.
Even if I saw some immediate advantage in making myself porr in the material sense, I would make myself far beyond poor in the personal sense.
(The obvious conclusion is that in the end it all comes down to egoïsm.)

salaam.
 
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