How far should the EU spread?

[disownedspirit]

the thing with turkey , i think is this, if the EU keep taking away the carrot of membership, turkey will have to find another bloc to become part of this means iran and, when the US finally decide that they cant afford to keep losing troops for something unwinnable, iraq

so you could have a trading bloc with ever closer political ties on bulgarias doorstep that could become a brake on the power of the west to intervene , politically economically and militarally in a region it has been treating as its own for 100+ years

 

[camouflage]

the thing with turkey , i think is this, if the EU keep taking away the carrot of membership, turkey will have to find another bloc to become part of this means iran and, when the US finally decide that they cant afford to keep losing troops for something unwinnable, iraq

so you could have a trading bloc with ever closer political ties on bulgarias doorstep that could become a brake on the power of the west to intervene , politically economically and militarally in a region it has been treating as its own for 100+ years

A good thing too, in my opinion. Let's keep Turkey out, for the greater good of the Asia Minor neigbourhood.

 

[paimei01]

The EU should dissapear, it's a masonic creation. I am from Romania, I wanted to join the EU, now I want out, I hate when we get all those rules from outside, rules that nobody asked me if I agree with them or not, and every politician says : "we must obey these rules ,we must be a part of EU"

 

[Gmart]

Interesting article here...

It's difficult to cooperate of course, but this seems very sensible!

 

[camouflage]

The EU should dissapear, it's a masonic creation. I am from Romania, I wanted to join the EU, now I want out, I hate when we get all those rules from outside, rules that nobody asked me if I agree with them or not, and every politician says : "we must obey these rules ,we must be a part of EU"

That's the heart of the issue isn't it, the undemocracy of it all. It's hard enough getting some sort of representative government in the UK in my opinion, the EU just makes any vote you do have much smaller and less powerful, and anyway it insulates the political process from people. A few biscuits thrown on the top doesn't make it better.

 

[lewislewis]

The EU should dissapear, it's a masonic creation. I am from Romania, I wanted to join the EU, now I want out, I hate when we get all those rules from outside, rules that nobody asked me if I agree with them or not, and every politician says : "we must obey these rules ,we must be a part of EU"

Masonic creation? Is this also to do with 'the Jewish conspiracy' and that sort of thing? Maybe David Icke was right !

 

[MikeMcc]

Probably just a fair description of the club of unelected commissioners that really run it.

 

[biff curtains]

I don't want to be part of a polity with backward racist states like Romania, Greece, and the Czech Republic until they learn to treat their internal minorites as equals.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

I don't want to be part of a polity with backward racist states like Romania, Greece, and the Czech Republic until they learn to treat their internal minorites as equals.

Like France and Germany?

 

[Gmart]

I like the idea that all men are equal, and so are therefore entitled to the same rights.

Therefore, with this is mind, could the Charter of Fundamental Rights ever be acceptable to the British? I acknowledge that some would prefer negative rights, and I have some sympathy for this view, but would the right to organise a Trade Union really be that bad?

 

[lewislewis]

I like the idea that all men are equal, and so are therefore entitled to the same rights.

Therefore, with this is mind, could the Charter of Fundamental Rights ever be acceptable to the British? I acknowledge that some would prefer negative rights, and I have some sympathy for this view, but would the right to organise a Trade Union really be that bad?

Exactly! The Charter is superb, it's how things should be.

'Britishness' is an Imperialist concept and as such is probably incompatible with human rights.

 

[Gmart]

Exactly! The Charter is superb, it's how things should be.

'Britishness' is an Imperialist concept and as such is probably incompatible with human rights.

Great to hear that! I just don't understand how the media is getting away with reporting our veto of this as a positive thing!

Why is the UK so against even discussing what needs to be done at a European level? After all we could always leave, just pass an act of parliament and hey presto, we've left. i mean what would they do?

That said I would like to see the UK arguing for good ideas, such as supporting small businesses, and supporting local communities rather than just supporting our big businesses.

There seems to be such a knee jerk reaction against the EU, as if they are different to us.

I have asked many times in different discussions for examples of the laws that the Anti EU lot think one set of people should have and another should not, but I am as yet to receive an answer.

 

[lewislewis]

You've got it exactly right.

There is a huge opportunity for parts of the UK to benefit from the European Union through the sharing of wealth to improve living standards, and from the positive and progressive rights that the EU enshrines. Consumer rights in the EU for example are unparalleled anywhere else in the world. I agree with you that we need to support small businesses but not sure what can be done at the EU level for that (aside from the existing objective one & Convergence funding schemes which I applaud),
however supporting communities can be done at the EU level, through the directives on the environment (which protect the local environments of thousands of communities across the EU from planning), and the protection of minority languages (like Irish, Welsh, Catalan, Basque etc). I'm sure there is alot more that can be done.

I don't want the erosion of all nationalities (nor do I think for a minute that will happen) or a single super-state, but i'm satisfied with the current set-up so far. In fact, I expect the EU to strengthen besieged nationalities at the expense of the huge empires that previously dominated Europe.

So the reason the media is anti-EU is because it is seen as Britain losing power, to it's historic enemies France and Germany.
There is an obsession with power inherent in the (false) British consciousness, due to the legacy of Britain being a strong empire. There is a general sense of not wanting to co-operate with anyone (apart from America and Nato), it is a bizarre and negative mentality.

I hope to see the demise of the United Kingdom as a political entity within my life time.

The EU will give us/is giving us greater reforms than any London government will ever be allowed to.