Arguing with yourself or what ?Or indeed anything not strictly related to football.
I confess an intense dislike for Croatia, for its 'harmless' far-right nationalism, odious šahovnica and overpriced and boring coastal resorts. I like the football they play, but I'd support Italy against them, despite that country's drift to the far right (and its overpriced coastal resorts).
this is also a very good point although i dunno about "forced" - tito was a croat and he did have popular support in croatia. i'd also say that recently the croatian gov't has got a lot LESS nationalistic from what i've heard ...As for the politics I can understand Croatia being nationalistic - after spending more than half a century in a forced coalition with Serbia (and others) and having their culture and identity suppressed they are now desperate to express themselves as an independent nation and are very proud (perhaps too proud) at times.
I wonder if there were not some good reasons for ethnic nationalisms being suppressed in postwar Yugoslavia?As for the politics I can understand Croatia being nationalistic - after spending more than half a century in a forced coalition with Serbia (and others) and having their culture and identity suppressed
But we also have a problem with this sort of thing and I'd be pissed of with anyone dismissing this country as a load of far right nutjobs or whatever.Unfortunately Croatia does have a problem with this sort of thing, and it isn't always just a stereotype. It's inevitable given what sort of guy Tudjman was and the fact that Croatia fought a war for its independence under his leadership which killed many people on both sides. A war which was highly successful and which led him to be seen among MANY croatians (not all!!) as a national hero.
There are bound to be a lot of people with strong feelings and some with very dodgy views, because of their experiences or whatever. The fact that some people would support nationalism and even the far right/fascism is unfortunately very understandable. It doesn't make it right though.
germany are an excellent team who thoroughly deserve to win, IMO. germany have put the past well and truly behind them (maybe a bit too much). russia i sympathise with, they've had during the last 15 years and really deserve to have something to be proud of given the utter shite that has happened in the last 20 or so years, i dont agree with a lot of what goes on there in terms of the government etc though.No but, come on...Germany and Russia but not Croatia?
i think there are good people and bad people among football fans of all nationalities tbh ...Yeah, they are but they have the same dodgy reputation as the Croatians and the English in fact. All as undeserved bar a minority, all still existing. The only trouble I've heard about so far has been German-v-Polish and Turks attacking Croats the other day.
i agree with this.It's not in the slightest. 'Support' for a country in Euro 2008 is a nothing. It doesn't amount to anything that might influence anyone in anyway and therefore to politicise it is ludicrous. I hardly think the new dawning of the left is going to be halted by me stating in vague terms to my other half that I quite like Slavan Bilic's earing and therefore would prefer them to win.
If I was proposing actively supporting a team (i.e. giving them some money and getting down and dirty with their fans) then it would be more of a concern but politicising armchair support is just silly imo.
I think it might be a reference to the recent UEFA Cup final, there was a Scottish team playing.Dude we're talking national teams not club sides. Surely you can see the difference in that particular case?
Or hold on a minute...were you referring to the Irish? In which case the IRA isn't a football team.
I assumed you were referring to Scottish fans in general. OK, we'll just stick to the Tartan Army and their curious idea that exposing yourselves in public is an acceptable way to behave.Dude we're talking national teams not club sides. Surely you can see the difference in that particular case?