Johnny Canuck3
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I wonder how much of the British love of spanking and uniforms can be laid at the feet of this person?
How do you make your child poo in the toilet?
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I wonder how much of the British love of spanking and uniforms can be laid at the feet of this person?
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
He wasn't a Brit, and that's to do with Public schools and stern nannies in the upper-middle class nursery..
Johnny Canuck3
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He was a Kiwi, but it sounds like his toilet training methods were in vogue in the UK as well...
Alright, if he isn't responsible for the spanking, maybe it's things like the bed soiling scene in Trainspotting, and the overarching interest that people there seem to have in all things involving Number Two?
Sounds more reasonable, actually.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
There were as in vogue in the English speaking world as Spock was in the 60s.
Mrs Magpie
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..and we don't have little shelves in the loo for poo inspection like in Germany and Scandinavia.....
Johnny Canuck3
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I was potty trained longer ago than forty years, as were most of my cousins. None of us were held over a toilet at six weeks...
In China they don't use nappies at all. This is the real reason they have hard floors rather than carpets 
It does mean that toddlers there get toilet trained spectacularly early - USDW Jr was fully trained at about 2, and stopped needing nappies altogether (we always put them on if we went to other people's houses). But it also means a period where you constantly find shits on your floor.
It does mean that toddlers there get toilet trained spectacularly early - USDW Jr was fully trained at about 2, and stopped needing nappies altogether (we always put them on if we went to other people's houses). But it also means a period where you constantly find shits on your floor.
Well, most of the world don't use nappies. A new born will pee or poo over a receptacle if you offer that to them rather than pee or poo in their own 'nest'. If we have another baby, I will do this from birth. As it was, when Rosa was about 5 months she made it clear that she didn't like nappies and I wasn't too keen either and I met someone who'd toileted her LO from 6 months in this way, I went home, took her out of the sling, held her over the basin and went psssss and she peed. Just like that.
The earlier and less mobile they are when you start the better...so we were a little late, but its still been good for us. Its not considered training...its about the parent paying attention to signs from the baby or timing and then giving them the opportunity to pee/poo somewhere other than a nappy. No rewards, praise stuff. Obviously an association is built, which could be considered training, but most people who do this don't like the term because it conjours up images of punitive training regimes a la pre-Spock and Brazelton. And its not like that at all.
AS. re. timing. As I said in my first post - peeing upon waking, after meals or drinks. Get into offering before you go out, when you're out and you see a toilet, after you come home. Other than that you'd need to leave her nappy off to see when she goes. As for poos? Well that's easier to spot when she's wearing a nappy - usually first thing in the morning or after eating in Rosa's case.
Yeah, that's what they do in China, hold them over a bowl and whistle. I found it pretty bizarre to start with but in a way it makes sense, they get trained early and don't use nappies. The only strange thing in China is seeing all these 'open crotch' trousers the babies wear.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
That's what my granny did! Or ran the tap because the sound of running water stimulates peeing too.I lived with my granny for my first year and when I stayed at hers later on when I was very little she used to lift me at night and get me to pee like that so I didn't wet the bed.
Yes, we've used running water too
Anything that helps relax really. I still do things to help her relax when she's not been for ages and doesn't seem to want to go but I want her to cos its bedtime or we're going out. Gently rubbing the lower back helps her pee in this situation.We don't but last week I wished that we had done.
We had a day of misses. I usually only take one change out with us if I remember at all, but within an hour Rosa had been changed once and then she peed in her pants again shortly after that. I was then invited to lunch at someone's I had only recently met and she gave Rosa a pair of her son's little cotton shorts. After eating her lunch she was playing on the grass and she stood up and shouted 'pooee! pooee!' So I ran over and picked her up, ran to the toilet, and just as I got there, a turd fell out of the short leg, on to the carpet, whereupon I stood in it. I then had to go out and tell my (new) friend that I had just trodden my child's shit into her carpet
She said that she was going to stick with conventional toilet training
Thora
Differently Ethical
I've potty trained three now, and personally I think the most important thing is giving the child as much control/responsibility as possible. Get rid of the nappies (always easier if the child has expressed a wish not to wear nappies anymore) and give them loads to drink at first so they get used to the feeling of needing to wee, and get lots of practice. Expect to stay at home for the first week and expect to do lots of wiping floors/washing clothes. I know lots of people prefer to keep them stripped from the waist at first to avoid loads of washing, but I actually think it's better to keep them dressed as having wet/pooey knickers is much more unpleasant than just weeing/pooing on the floor. I don't do sticker charts or loads of rewards and praise - cool new big kid pants and avoiding getting them wet or pooey is reward enough. Also, I don't go in for taking them to the potty every half hour regardless (although I do remind them/ask them if they need to go) as they need to learn to recognise the signs their own body gives them.
Yeh, that sounds right to me. Facilitating responsibility, autonomy and bodily awareness is what should be happening in all aspects of our relationship with our young children IMO. And I agree that these things are reward enough in themselves.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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A little update.
I didn't use potties in the end, just the family toilet seat. My daughter just wasn't getting it, and didn't seem to want to poo anywhere except her nappy. Suddenly about three weeks ago she just started asking to use the toilet. I have not had a dirty nappy since. She even undresses herself and gets on the toilet herself (in fact she insists that she does this) without a step or anything, she just clambers up.
What a funny old world. She seems to just jump into a developmental stage 'bam' just like that. There was no crawling, no pulling herself up on furniture, she just stood up one day and started walking. This weekend she suddenly started speaking Japanese, really quite clearly and in the right context. For instance, she picked up a bow shaped hair pin and remarked that it looked like a butterfly.
I'm sure all kids are like this, but it really is so incredible to witness all these little developments.
I didn't use potties in the end, just the family toilet seat. My daughter just wasn't getting it, and didn't seem to want to poo anywhere except her nappy. Suddenly about three weeks ago she just started asking to use the toilet. I have not had a dirty nappy since. She even undresses herself and gets on the toilet herself (in fact she insists that she does this) without a step or anything, she just clambers up.
What a funny old world. She seems to just jump into a developmental stage 'bam' just like that. There was no crawling, no pulling herself up on furniture, she just stood up one day and started walking. This weekend she suddenly started speaking Japanese, really quite clearly and in the right context. For instance, she picked up a bow shaped hair pin and remarked that it looked like a butterfly.
I'm sure all kids are like this, but it really is so incredible to witness all these little developments.
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Ah. Well done to you both.
It is incredible. I remember when my boy learned how to ride a proper bike with pedals; just like that, he was off, didn't even look back!
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Just to clarify, she didn't just point at a bow and say "butterfly" She said "This bow looks like a butterfly", it was really a bit mental.
_angel_
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In China they don't use nappies at all. This is the real reason they have hard floors rather than carpets
It does mean that toddlers there get toilet trained spectacularly early - USDW Jr was fully trained at about 2, and stopped needing nappies altogether (we always put them on if we went to other people's houses). But it also means a period where you constantly find shits on your floor.
Do babies just lie in their own shit then!?
urgh
coley
Well-Known Member
To late, I`ve killed him
Thora
Differently Ethical
_angel_
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What, in a nappy?
and everything else as well though?
It's everyone else inadvertantly lying/sitting/standing in it that is the weird bit.
They're held over a receptacle, toilet, pot or whatever.
Thanks for the update. She's doing well, eh? Love watching your films.
Mungy
i haz boobz
This.
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