How do you make your child poo in the toilet?

[spring-peeper]

I wonder if a step exists that kind of fits around the toilet shape.

We tried that approach. The problem was that if anyone else had to use the toilet, they would have to move the steps. Most times, they didn't move them back and when the little one went running into the bathroom - no steps, big fuss...not a good plan.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't, but it's probably for helping a child climb up or for a boy to wee into the toilet, so make sure it's high enough for her.

Yeah I have just had a look and surprisingly there are not that many. The ikea one looks ok but like you say it's a bit too small. I think I can fashion something myself for now to figure out the best hight. Actually I could just custom build a stool. We could do with a general stool around the house anyway.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

We tried that approach. The problem was that if anyone else had to use the toilet, they would have to move the steps. Most times, they didn't move them back and when the little one went running into the bathroom - no steps, big fuss...not a good plan.

I don't think that would be too much of an issue as she is quite capable of moving other bits of furniture around for using as a step. Plus I don't think she is at a stage where she will be going to the toilet on her own. It's just to rest her feet on for now, not really to climb up.

I can imagine the step being a bit of a pain in the arse for me though. I guess if it doesn't work out its only a step.

 

[Pip]

What about this?

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/60118186

 

[Guineveretoo]

I hope I don't sound rude, because after all I did ask for advice, but does nobody read the thread?

Yes, but the advice you asked was about how we got our children to use the toilet, and I did it, as did lots of others, by using a potty first, so the child felt safe and in control.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Well OK, I think I was just asking for techniques for encouragement and routines.
For the record I will just state now that there will not be potties. Sorry.

Fair enough, but then I have nothing to share, because that's how I did it with all the children I have ever cared for.

And, for the record, yes, I do think you are being a bit rude, because lots of people had put some effort into responding with their first hand experiences, which appeared to be what you were seeking, and I am not feeling inclined to offer advice when it is asked for another time.

*unsubscribes*

 

[Mrs Magpie]

When Pip was little we would clap and cheer every time she did a wee or poo in the potty (I know you don't believe in them, just do the same with the loo) and she never had accidents as far as I can remember. The main thing is don't get anxious about it all. She's only two.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

What about this?

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/60118186

Maybe. I was thinking about getting one of those anyway.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

They're very big, as in possibly higher than the average loo and I can see that toppling if a two year tries to climb up on it.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

And, for the record, yes, I do think you are being a bit rude, because lots of people had put some effort into responding with their first hand experiences, which appeared to be what you were seeking, and I am not feeling inclined to offer advice when it is asked for another time.

*unsubscribes*

Yes, and I am grateful for the responses. The bit I was being rude about was people going over the same thing and not reading my other responses on the thread. I am more than willing to concede that I was pretty rude. The world is not about me and the internet most certainly isn't.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

They're very big, as in possibly higher than the average loo and I can see that toppling if a two year tries to climb up on it.

I'm only thinking about leg resting for now. Something she can put her feet on for a bit of straining leverage.

 

[Pip]

They're very big, as in possibly higher than the average loo and I can see that toppling if a two year tries to climb up on it.

They're not that big I don't think.

Here's a more stylish option http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/30045016

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

At 45cm that's going to be higher than my toilet.

 

[Pip]

Hmm. The other ones are the same height, so maybe Mrs Magpie was right.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Don't worry. I will construct my own toilet step. I might even make it steps.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Eh? give her a nappy to do a poo in?
I have a child toilet seat. She has no problem sitting on this (she likes it) and having a wee (see the rest of the thread) but shes not done a poop yet and doesn't ask to go to the toilet to wee and poo. Though she does sometimes just ask to sit on the toilet for no reason.

I did read your thread and I was just asking what do you do when she needs a poo seen as she doesn't use the toilet yet? Does she use nappies?
Some people do give the child a nappy to poo in even though they are toilet training them. I wasn't suggesting you do that, as I said, i think it's a bad idea.
I wasn't sugesting that she use a potty instead of the toilet, just that it might be an aid. I understand the potty aversion but I do think they help, of course it's possible to train without them.

I've potty trained four children, using the same principles, these are my thoughts on the matter:
Once the toilet training began nappies and pull up pants were only used at night(although my boy was dry during the night before he was dry during the day).
Consistency, encouragement and a strong stomach are vital as are practise, praise, patience.
I would empty the potty into the toilet and get them to flush it, lots of kids are scared of the flush because it noisy and they can think it's going to flush when they sit on it so showing them how it works helps. I didn't use a booster seat or one of the seats that you have AtomicSuplex but I think they are useful if they help the child feel more secure an less likely to fall in.
Making them feel that it is their job, very grown up of them and an all round Very Good Thing is the biggest incentive I know of. I've not had to use sticker charts or rewards beause the children I've dealt with have just enjoyed feeling in control of it and grown up like the people around them

I think two is still young though, I wouldn't be concerned until she was three or three and a half. eEven then I'd be likely to believe she'd get the hang of it in her own time and won't need encouraging and cajouling when she is fifteen
Oh, and I have a curved step that fits around te toilet, think I picked it up in a pound shop.

 

[Red Cat]

Not at all and in fact the question has pointed out the fact that the answer I previously posted to this question somehow turned into a double post of some other reply, so sorry about that.

I like the idea of my daughter knowing from the off that the bathroom is the place for toilet. She seems to enjoy the family toilet seat so I don't really think there is a problem there. I don't really like the idea of potties, sorry.

Also my wife is japanese and all the japanese books and DVDs about poop and wee involve the characters going to the toilet etc, I don't want things to get too confusing for her. Plus my wife doesn't want potties and says they are not considered normal or clean in Japan. Remember, this is a country where you put on special shoes just to go in the bathroom.

But she doesn't know from the off that its the place for toilet does she? She thinks its her nappy...

Why would it be confusing? Does she not see you and your wife use the toilet? I think children can understand that there are 2 things for the toilet no? Most children manage this I think.

I'm sorry I can't help you further because I don't understand how you can toilet your child at this age if there's a big thing about cleanliness going on. I personally would rather pick a turd off the floor (with toilet paper) than clean a squished and smeared pooey bottom, but each to their own, eh?

Maybe you just need to wait for her to want to copy you. I think children learn best by wanting to be like people older than them. She'll be ready soon enough.

 

[feyr]

the natural pooing positon is pretty much what is achieved when on a potty, ie, knees slightly raised from a 90 degree angle. if you make her a step, it needs to raise her knees to this position.

does she poo regularly? any problem with constipation? has she been ill recently? sometimes children will become reluctant to poo in the toilet after an illness as bowel movements during this time may have become hard and painful to pass. a nappy is a kind of comfort blanket which makes pooing after painful poos less scary.although i doubt this is relevant with your daughter if she hasnt been actually pooing in the toilet, just sitting on it

one method that we use at work is not to use a potty ( would be innapropriate as physically they are adults) is that if they poo in their pad, we take them to the toilet , take off the pad and tip it down the toilet, explaining this is where poo goes, then get them to wipe ,flush etc. you said you already do this but didnt make it clear if you take her to the toilet to do this, or change her else where. once they've got used to the idea that this is where poo goes, we start keeping a poo chart with times when they poo, and also ask them every half hour if they need the loo. if it is thought that the person doesnt yet always notice the signs they need to poo, we take them every half hour any way, as eventually they will get to associate the signs they feel in themselves with going to the toilet.

the next stage is either to put a bidet into the toilet, so that when they are pooing it doesnt go straight into the toilet , as for some children this can be an issue, even if they know the toilet is where poo goes, it can be unsettling for them for it to drop straight down when they are used to having it caught. then once they are regularly poo in the toilet , the bidet bowl is taken away

the other method we use is for the students who will wee on the toilet but still poo in their pad. they get put in pull up pants rather than nappy style pads. when we see they are showing signs of needing a poo , we take them to sit on the toilet, still in their pants. they are then asked if they want to take there pants off or keep them on. if they poo in the pants, we get them to tip it in the toilet, flush etc. once they've got the idea that you go to the toilet to poo. we put them in normal pants, and continue. eventully they realise that pooing your pants isnt a nice feeling and that its easier to take your pants off

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I did read your thread and I was just asking what do you do when she needs a poo seen as she doesn't use the toilet yet? Does she use nappies?
Some people do give the child a nappy to poo in even though they are toilet training them. I wasn't suggesting you do that, as I said, i think it's a bad idea.

Ah, I see. I think I was having trouble imagining a child not wearing a nappy. I didn't even think of it, and yes, giving a child a nappy to do a poo in sounds counterproductive.

I've potty trained four children, using the same principles, these are my thoughts on the matter:
Once the toilet training began nappies and pull up pants were only used at night(although my boy was dry during the night before he was dry during the day).

I think this would almost certainly work but could be quite messy.

I think two is still young though, I wouldn't be concerned until she was three or three and a half. eEven then I'd be likely to believe she'd get the hang of it in her own time and won't need encouraging and cajouling when she is fifteen

What age did you start nappy removal?

Oh, and I have a curved step that fits around te toilet, think I picked it up in a pound shop.

I will have a look round mine. I have never been in because it is always so packed and the isles are so small.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

What age did you start nappy removal?

In the day time when they were dry and clean and went to the loo, and at night when they were dry every night. I did use nappies again at night if they were at other people's houses as they are more likely then to have accidents and feel humiliated. Also when Pip had been dry day and night but broke her elbow (no cast and very painful) she went back in nappies for a while as moving around was painful.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Sorry to use you as a example Pip, but it's for the greater good!

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

I think this would almost certainly work but could be quite messy.


What age did you start nappy removal?

Yep, it can be messy but only for a week or two. they do understand pretty quickly that it's better all round if they go to the toilet.
you then will have timing issues. With my boy he would ALWAYS hold it, wouldn't want to stop playing so sit there holding it and holding it until the very last minute then it would be a matter of having drips rather than full scale wettings

The one girl I trained was interested at around two and a half, they boys IME have been less interested in it. With my boy(most recent) I had to say to him it was time rather than him showing an active interest in it, he would have been about three, took a few months but he was pretty much dry before nursery. I think he had one or two accidents because he still thought play was more important.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

But she doesn't know from the off that its the place for toilet does she? She thinks its her nappy...

I mean 'from the off' of toilet training. She knows if she does a poo in her nappy that it goes down the toilet and if daddy does a poo he does it in the toilet. I don't mean she's got the hang of it yet (hence the thread) but I want her to learn that the toilet it the place for pooing without moving though the intermediate world of potties.

Why would it be confusing? Does she not see you and your wife use the toilet? I think children can understand that there are 2 things for the toilet no? Most children manage this I think.

I meant I did not want her to see her cartoon friends and mummy and daddy etc all use the toilet but then ask her to go in a potty.

I'm sorry I can't help you further because I don't understand how you can toilet your child at this age if there's a big thing about cleanliness going on. I personally would rather pick a turd off the floor (with toilet paper) than clean a squished and smeared pooey bottom, but each to their own, eh?

I don't think there is a big thing about cleanliness (though I know it sounds like that) it's just that potties are alien to my wife. Mind you I don't really fancy having potties everywhere. I never really liked them as a child either.

Maybe you just need to wait for her to want to copy you. I think children learn best by wanting to be like people older than them. She'll be ready soon enough.

Yeah, I suppose so, she copies me at pretty much everything else.

She went for a wee on the toilet only a few minutes ago. I was changing her nappy and it looked like she wasn't going to do anything so I asked her if she wanted to get off. SHe said "no, wee wee" and so I waited and. . . . ta da. She has done wee wees before but it always seemed a little like chance. This time she asked to stay on the toilet so that she could wee.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

In the day time when they were dry and clean and went to the loo, and at night when they were dry every night. I did use nappies again at night if they were at other people's houses as they are more likely then to have accidents and feel humiliated. Also when Pip had been dry day and night but broke her elbow (no cast and very painful) she went back in nappies for a while as moving around was painful.

I'm liking all this Pip nappy talk. SHe must be loving it.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Well, the answer is, don't register on a board when your parent is already there!

 

[Pip]

What? Everyone was a baby in nappies once.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

You were brilliant though Pip...a shining example to babies everywhere.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

What? Everyone was a baby in nappies once.


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Maybe, but my mum doesn't post on the internet about my poo.

To be fair to Maggs, she has painted a very good picture of you as a girl with a lot of maturity and control from an early age.
Well done.

 

[Red Cat]

I mean 'from the off' of toilet training. She knows if she does a poo in her nappy that it goes down the toilet and if daddy does a poo he does it in the toilet. I don't mean she's got the hang of it yet (hence the thread) but I want her to learn that the toilet it the place for pooing without moving though the intermediate world of potties.

I meant I did not want her to see her cartoon friends and mummy and daddy etc all use the toilet but then ask her to go in a potty.

I don't think there is a big thing about cleanliness (though I know it sounds like that) it's just that potties are alien to my wife. Mind you I don't really fancy having potties everywhere. I never really liked them as a child either.

Yeah, I suppose so, she copies me at pretty much everything else.

She went for a wee on the toilet only a few minutes ago. I was changing her nappy and it looked like she wasn't going to do anything so I asked her if she wanted to get off. SHe said "no, wee wee" and so I waited and. . . . ta da. She has done wee wees before but it always seemed a little like chance. This time she asked to stay on the toilet so that she could wee.

Yeh, I understood you. But I'm making the point that with nappy use they've already been 'toilet trained' to go in their nappy.

Anyway, Baby (not so baby!) Suplex must have understood that you poo and wee in the toilet for a long time. But making the connection with what you feel in your body, knowing what that feeling is, imagining what you need to do next and actually communicating your need or getting to the toilet/potty yourself is a completely different step from recognising intellectually that pee and poo go in the toilet.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about confusion - it doesn't have to be a stage, it can be both. Rosa pees in the toilet, potty, the garden, the bath. She knows that we pee in the toilet and not in the potty or the garden or when we get in the bath, usually. She knows she's not the same as us and that there are things we do that are different from her and vice versa. But with time, she'll increasingly do what we do.

Sounds like you're off to a good start anyway. I'm sure she must be pleased with herself

 

[UltraMan7]

Like someone said before, with a bit of encouragement they'll do it when they're ready. We had something that fitted over the toilet seat which made the gap smaller and had some steps leading up to it. I can remember well when my son did his first big one in the toilet to great cheers from everyone, only to walk down the steps and pee all over the floor!