How do you make 'proper' gravy?

[Guineveretoo]

well it shouldn't be

Oh calm down, it's only a word

 

[Guineveretoo]

I wish they'd get their own words for their bland mush and stop appropriating traditional words

 

[FiFi]

vegetarians are going to hell


sorry

Why?

 

[Orang Utan]

Just what exactly is in a vegan food sauce accompaniment then?

 

[Orang Utan]

Why?

I wouldn't take jmb too seriously fifi

 

[Xanadu]

As I say, that is the traditional definition of gravy, but, these days, the word is commonly used to mean a vegan sauce accompanying, for example, veggie sausages and mash, or a vegetarian roast dinner. It's not my invention!

Veggie sausage != sausage
Vegetarian roast dinner != roast dinner
Vegetarian gravy != gravy

If using the word gravy, it should really be prefixed with vegetarian, to show that you don't meant the, far more common, meat containing gravy.

 

[Orang Utan]

Veggie sausage != sausage
Vegetarian roast dinner != roast dinner
Vegetarian gravy != gravy

If using the word gravy, it should really be prefixed with vegetarian, to show that you don't meant the, far more common, meat containing gravy.

I'd go even further and demand they come up with a completely different word for all three of those.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Veggie sausage != sausage
Vegetarian roast dinner != roast dinner
Vegetarian gravy != gravy

If using the word gravy, it should really be prefixed with vegetarian, to show that you don't meant the, far more common, meat containing gravy.

In your life, perhaps, but not in mine, since gravy made in this household is always vegetarian

 

[Guineveretoo]

Just what exactly is in a vegan food sauce accompaniment then?

When I make what I call gravy and you call a "vegan food sauce accompaniment", I use the juice and fat from the roasted vegetables, and make it just like I was taught to make meaty gravy as a child, by adding the cornflour to that fat and a bit of gravy browning/bisto etc. etc.

That is, when I can be bothered, of course.

Sometimes, I just use instant gravy, which is SO against my principles that people who knew me in the 70s and early 80s would be shocked, nay, horrified if they knew

 

[Detroit City]

only on Urban will you find a 100 post thread just on gravy

 

[Guineveretoo]

I'd go even further and demand they come up with a completely different word for all three of those.

Who are you to demand changes to the language?

 

[Guineveretoo]

only on Urban will you find a 100 post thread just on gravy

Good, innit?

 

[Orang Utan]

Who are you to demand changes to the language?

I should be asking that of the vegetarians for changing the meanings of words!
Sausage:
minced pork, beef, or other meats, often combined, together with various added ingredients and seasonings, usually stuffed into a prepared intestine or other casing and often made in links.
Roast: roasted meat or a piece of roasted meat, as a piece of beef or veal of a quantity and shape for slicing into more than one portion
Gravy: the fat and juices that drip from cooking meat, often thickened, seasoned, flavored, etc., and used as a sauce for meat, potatoes, rice, etc.

How can you have vegetarian versions of any those things? It's like having an egg-free meringue or quiche.

 

[Xanadu]

Who are you to demand changes to the language?

Who are you to change the language in the first place?

In your life, perhaps, but not in mine, since gravy made in this household is always vegetarian

In your english-mangling life, you may call your vegetarian sauce gravy, but in my life, I like to know whether the sauce I'm putting on my plate is derived from meat or just vegetables.

 

[ScallyWag II]

I should be asking that of the vegetarians for changing the meanings of words!
Sausage:
minced pork, beef, or other meats, often combined, together with various added ingredients and seasonings, usually stuffed into a prepared intestine or other casing and often made in links.
Roast: roasted meat or a piece of roasted meat, as a piece of beef or veal of a quantity and shape for slicing into more than one portion
Gravy: the fat and juices that drip from cooking meat, often thickened, seasoned, flavored, etc., and used as a sauce for meat, potatoes, rice, etc.

How can you have vegetarian versions of any those things? It's like having an egg-free meringue or quiche.

Roast potatoes

 

[moomoo]

Good grief!

I'm glad I'm vegan after reading this lot!

I'm considering turning vegan after reading this lot.


*is none the wiser*

 

[Orang Utan]

Roast potatoes

I meant as in the phrase 'Sunday roast'

 

[madzone]

I'm considering turning vegan after reading this lot.


*is none the wiser*

What do you mean you're none the wiser? My way is clearly correct

 

[Guineveretoo]

My way is definitely the right way (ignoring the debate about veggie versus meat - I am talking method, here!).

 

[tarannau]

Veggie roast dinners are a lesson in disappointment really. All the trimmings and illusion of the genuine article, but no real centerpiece to focus on. Even a nut roast feels like a glorified stuffing. And even the best accompaniments, the gravy and the roast spuds aren't at anywhere near their finest. Nowt like the roast's juices - particularly goose and duck fat -to take the potatoes to the next level.

 

[Orang Utan]

I've been doing my roast spuds in dripping recently - scrumptious!

 

[newharper]

*is none the wiser*

but slightly better informed.

 

[Xanadu]

I've been doing my roast spuds in dripping recently - scrumptious!

A combination of olive oil and butter is adequate when doing roast potatoes. Nothing can compare to real animal fat though.

 

[Orang Utan]

I like the use of the word adequate

 

[tarannau]

Nah, without the animal fat I prefer doing something a little different - there's always the feeling of too much of a compromise otherwise. Little waxy new potatoes, often in their skin, with thyme, lemon and whole cloves of garlic's a nice change once in a while.

 

[ScallyWag II]

I meant as in the phrase 'Sunday roast'

Fair dos...but a definition of roast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roast Sunday roast for a veggie will often be roasted veg / nut roast

A def of gravy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravy A sauce made from the juices that run naturally from meat or veg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausages Vegetarian sausages

Sausages...see 3.10

Anyways, the gravy definition

 

[moomoo]

*Opens packet of Colemans Roast Beef gravy*

 

[ScallyWag II]

A combination of olive oil and butter is adequate when doing roast potatoes. Nothing can compare to real animal fat though.

Note to non-meat-eaters...never leave anyone not sympathic to veggie needs in charge of the roast tatties. Bloody cousin basted the roasties in turkey fat a coupla xmas's ago, whilst me and my sis went for a ciggie break, just to get then going. Cheers Sal, I had to have Aunt Bessies fuckin finest shite cos of that

 

[ScallyWag II]

*Opens packet of Colemans Roast Beef gravy*

Oops, your ? has been derailed a wee bit

Try making your own though, just deglaze your pan with a bit of wine, get it nice and bubbling and all the bits off the bottom, add a bit of flour, cook for a coupla minutes then add your stock. Will be fine for kids as the alchol will cook out too

 

[Xanadu]

That's pretty much what I do. If there's too much fat in the pan, it gets spooned into a container for later use. If it's a bit bland I'll add some wocestershire sauce or mushroom ketchup.