Johnny Canuck2 said:
more evidence for the prosecution.
How bad were Queen?
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more evidence for the prosecution.
I quite like Springsteen - just for the record like
lots of musical genre have people that rise above them by doing what they do really well (except hip hop of course) - Abba and pop for example - and Springsteen does that stadium rock thing like no one else.
I've seen him live and had a throughly enjoyable time.
Well that's my cred out the window then.
And I loathe Queen's pompous overblown antics with a vengeance
lots of musical genre have people that rise above them by doing what they do really well (except hip hop of course) - Abba and pop for example - and Springsteen does that stadium rock thing like no one else.
I've seen him live and had a throughly enjoyable time.
Well that's my cred out the window then.
And I loathe Queen's pompous overblown antics with a vengeance
Johnny Canuck3
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Dubversion said:
You should actually listen to what the song is about.
Johnny Canuck3
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editor said:
Rush?
Johnny Canuck2 said:
don't patronise me, johnny.
i'm fully aware of the lyrical intent of that song, and how it's been largely misunderstood. i'm also well aware of Springsteen's impeccable liberal credentials, his seriousness of intent and his political commitment.
doesn't mean it's actually LISTENABLE
pilchardman
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Yeah, what he said.Dubversion said:i'm fully aware of the lyrical intent of that song, and how it's been largely misunderstood. i'm also well aware of Springsteen's impeccable liberal credentials, his seriousness of intent and his political commitment.
doesn't mean it's actually LISTENABLE
pilchardman
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Iam said:I like Springsteen, too.
Now you're brave enough to say so! 
Johnny Canuck3
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Dubversion said:don't patronise me, johnny.
i'm fully aware of the lyrical intent of that song, and how it's been largely misunderstood. i'm also well aware of Springsteen's impeccable liberal credentials, his seriousness of intent and his political commitment.
doesn't mean it's actually LISTENABLE
Sorry, I was assuming you disliked it because the title includes 'USA', as many people do.
Fair enough if you simply don't like it: I do, as a matter of fact.
The song should actually be the anthem for today' crop of antiwar protestors.
SwizzleStiX
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Do you know the line "as bad as phil collins" rings very fecking true Why cos my uncle worked and is working as a sound technician for said man (Geoff Callingham) , you think that's bad, his wife is his secretary 
I've even got a signed piece of memrobila on my shelf "To Nancy Love Phil Collins'' everyone jokes when they see that, as they all think his music is terrible, but you've got to admit you can't hurry love love is a classic - and the fact they even gave it to me makes my heart sing
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Why cos my uncle worked and is working as a sound technician for said man (Geoff Callingham) , you think that's bad, his wife is his secretary I've even got a signed piece of memrobila on my shelf "To Nancy Love Phil Collins'' everyone jokes when they see that, as they all think his music is terrible, but you've got to admit you can't hurry love love is a classic - and the fact they even gave it to me makes my heart sing Source Here
do you find them that similar?
not a rhetorical question, i can see why someone who hadn't heard 'dead man' and his noisier stuff could think that
springsteen's 'indie' reputation is as untouchable as young's is, errr, untouchable in the other sense, deservedly so imho
which goes to show that politics and good art have very little correlation
pilchardman
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If they understood the intent. (Which is very different from the outcome).Johnny Canuck2 said:
It is, sadly, not a Woody Guthrie-alike, but a stadium rock legs akimbo stomper. Which is the very worst tendency that rock and roll has to offer.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
you underestimate me, johnny. as i've said before, 20 years ago or so my musical tastes were very very different. i've owned Springsteen albums. i've owned all manner of stuff you'd be very very surprised by. but i moved on. Or in Springsteen's case ran away quickly shouting 'boring, boring, if that Clarence fella plays ANOTHER fucking sax solo i'm buying a gun'
as for Born In The USA i have a great deal of sympathy for what the song says, but - IMO, naturally (
) - it says it in such a turgid, stomping, overblown way that it utterly ruins the message. in fact the song's bombast is counter-productive because it actually SOUNDS the opposite of what it SAYS, if you see what i mean, which is why so many people get it wrong, i think.
pilchardman
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In your opinion, like.editor said:
editor said:
and so are Anarchy, Shh!, Slap and Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Back to Queen......
I used to quite like them (in that I didnt run away when someone played them), but I always felt them to be 'family christmas party' music.
Then my dad bought a video of them live, and now EVERY time he gets shitfaced he puts it on LOUDLY and 'rocks out' in his armchair, passing comment like: "Now thats the kind of talent you dont see today, son", before falling aslep and only waking up when you try to turn it off and turning the fucking thing UP.
I fucking hate them now.
I long for a time when he would do the same but with Bob Dylan or something else quiet.
I used to quite like them (in that I didnt run away when someone played them), but I always felt them to be 'family christmas party' music.
Then my dad bought a video of them live, and now EVERY time he gets shitfaced he puts it on LOUDLY and 'rocks out' in his armchair, passing comment like: "Now thats the kind of talent you dont see today, son", before falling aslep and only waking up when you try to turn it off and turning the fucking thing UP.
I fucking hate them now.
I long for a time when he would do the same but with Bob Dylan or something else quiet.
pilchardman
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It'd have to be VERY far down the mix.Iam said:Does this mean you're not interested in remixing my version of Thunder Road...?
butterfly child
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Queen are very singalongable.
I really like the later stuff, when he got all sensible and shaved off that 'tache
I really like the later stuff, when he got all sensible and shaved off that 'tache
pilchardman
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butterfly child said:
That's the best praise you can do?Look, I was in a band that had to fire the keyboard player when we found out he liked Queen. It wasn't fun, but it had to be done for everyone's good.
longdog
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Dubversion said:and so are Anarchy, Shh!, Slap and Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records
You're not wrong there Mr Version
I voted as bad as Brucie because I don't like the majority of either of their stuff (as a matter of a fact I would go as far as to say the majority is utter bollocks) but I do think both have done some stunning tracks.
I never worked out how Queen managed to so consistantly release their worst piles of old shite as singles while leaving the good stuff hidden away on albums.
Johnny Canuck3
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Dubversion said:you underestimate me, johnny. as i've said before, 20 years ago or so my musical tastes were very very different. i've owned Springsteen albums. i've owned all manner of stuff you'd be very very surprised by. but i moved on. Or in Springsteen's case ran away quickly shouting 'boring, boring, if that Clarence fella plays ANOTHER fucking sax solo i'm buying a gun'
as for Born In The USA i have a great deal of sympathy for what the song says, but - IMO, naturally (
As a rule, I try not to underestimate you.
An honest question:
How does it happen that you come to dislike music that you once liked?
I find that my tastes have changed as time has passed, and I've liked a fairly eclectic mix over the years; but while I wouldn't go out and buy an album by some group I listened to in 1975, if I happen to hear one of the old songs on the radio, I still recognize what it was that attracted me to it in the first place.
I liked disco in its time, and Bubbling Brown Sugar or Don't Leave Me This Way can still sound ok on occasion, although I wouldn't go out of my way to play them anymore.
Is it that you just listened to it too much and it's boring, or do you actually come to view the music as bad?
Johnny Canuck3
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siarc said:
They're from the same tradition, and sing about some of the same things in similar ways.
I used to love Queen when I was about 14. Them and Aerosmith. And then a couple of years later I discovered Nirvana and shunned my previous musical tastes as 'too mainstream'...
I have to say though, in the last few years I've come back towards admitting that Queen weren't too bad at what they did. Meatloaf was infinitely worse, for instance, in a similar sort of genre.
As to Springsteen, I only really know Born in the USA, have never really had the chance/time/desire to check out his other stuff... I may be judging him unfairly based on that one song...
I have to say though, in the last few years I've come back towards admitting that Queen weren't too bad at what they did. Meatloaf was infinitely worse, for instance, in a similar sort of genre.
As to Springsteen, I only really know Born in the USA, have never really had the chance/time/desire to check out his other stuff... I may be judging him unfairly based on that one song...
Johnny Canuck2 said:
it would be a lengthy derail, but in short - when you're a kid you only have limited access to music and to an extent 'get what you're given', from family or friends or whatever. i had an older uncle who was into prog, 70s rock, singer / songwriters etc. I worked my way through the lot from a very early age (jesus, i was into Dylan at about 11, but also Alan Parsons Project), but as soon as i became exposed to other stuff i quickly moved on. some stayed with me - Dylan, Van Morrison - some i hastily abandoned - Barclay James Harvest, Manfredd Mann's Earth Band.
And they say the seppoes have no sense of irony.pilchardman said:
Hollis
bloody furious
I've said it before on here and I'll say it again.. I think one of the problems with Springsteen is that he doesn't cross the Atlantic well. Just as I can't imagine Billy Bragg going down to well with the average redneck. He's done some excellent stuff.
As for Queen - supurb pomp rock at is best. If you really don't like it there's something wrong with you. honest.
As for Queen - supurb pomp rock at is best. If you really don't like it there's something wrong with you. honest.
Ah ha! Pilchardman: Afraid To Rock.pilchardman said:
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