Discussion in 'Brixton' started by ash, Apr 21, 2017.
Above yellow Tories, yeah I would.
Insane - did you vote remain or leave?
Someone who joined the lib-dems after 2010 tries to interrogate someone. Marvelous.
Because the EU is all that matters - nevermind the coalition gov, never mind the attacks on the poorest, the dismantling of the welfare state - which you are supporting, as long as they support the EU (currently killing people in Greece).
I'll do whatever it takes to get rid of the fucking Tories mate - if that means canvassing for the LDs in my electorate then so be it. Labour is completely and utterly finished for a decade or so after the debacle of Corbyn's 'leadership' so I've not much choice. I'm a pragmatist.
I think you are turning that into an iconic moment - from your point of view.
I spoke to Peter Tatchell about it at the funeral of Dudley Cave, a mutual acquaintance who was a pioneer of gay rights and who died in 1999.
By 1999 Peter Tatchell was not expressing bitterness to me, although in a one to one conversation he was very free to do so.
Maybe if Peter Tatchell can get over it in 16 years you could do so in 34 years? Or is it more important -to you - to get wound up about principles than the actions and feelings of real people?
Right. Understood then. Which electorate?
How the fuck does voting LD (last seen in coalition gov with the Tories) in a safe Labour seat, "stop" the Tories.
Even on it's own level your argument is nonsense.
I'm mad for change. non-stop militant change. And change simply means not having a tory in my seat. In which case Hoey is your best bet.
You simpoy are a lib-dem. You don't have to be in that seat. Don't piggyback on anti-tory sentiments.
Lovely, it doesn't matter, Tatchell's moved on, so should everybody else. And this is the views of the gay-friendly LDs.
The seat is far from safe. The LDs have put a heavy focus on it as winnable given Hoey's support for Brexit in an area which was nearly 80% remain. I think she's finished, finally.
Even if that is the case, how does the election of a LD "stop" the Tories? If that is your main aim you should be arguing for a Labour vote.
See, nothing to do with any anti-tory sentiment. Simple anti-brexit/pro-eu rage. Jesus, just say it openly, no need to hide it.
As it happens I think you are conflating two issues. One being the Liberal Gay rights activists wearing badges designed to "out" Peter Tatchell - a tactic he himself has threatened to use. The other being media coverage - which would have been driven by people like Kelvin McKenzie at the Sun.
Seems from your astute use of barbed remarks you are no stranger to Kelvin McKenzie tactics. Kelvin is no longer with us - one abusive public utterance too far.
She's also voted against increasing corporation tax for big business, against support for people who can't afford their council tax in my borough, voted against the hunting ban, against euthansia for the terminally ill.. etc etc. It's not a one issue for me - Brexit has definitely galvanized me into actually trying to get rid the idiot though.
She seems to have gone to the trouble of photo-shopping (most of) him out of a picture of herself campaigning for clean air yesterday, before posting it onto her twitter.
That's right it was the horrible Sun that talked about "The Straight Choice" nothing to do with you.
So why try to pretend it's simply an anti-tory move - that logic doesn't stand up to a seconds examination.
Your socially concerned activity before the brexit vote - when the party you are a member of were forming and imposing austerity?
Have you got a photo?
It's described on the wikipedia page.
Of course they lost credibility as a result of the coalition. But god knows how far the Tories would have gone without the LDs slowing them down, albeit only marginally.
They're also the only major party who was solidly pro-remain. Sorry for banging on about that. But it's an utter disgrace and I'd rather not have someone representing me in Westminster who is thick enough to not see the almighty car crash ahead.
Are you actually criticising me for becoming more politically engaged? Whether you agree with me or not? Would you prefer I sit on the sidelines bitching as I did for years?
Yes i am. Joining the lib-dems ffs.
On which issues where the Tories slowed down? Increasing HE fees? Increasing VAT? Cutting income tax?
Politically engaged with a bunch if vile hypocrites that attack the welfare state, great!
Are you a member of a political party - if so may I ask which one?
No i'm not.
The lib-dems ffs. Pic *here* of tories in front of a defend the NHS banner.
At least they're in a party right?
Thanks for that. I see it was very good promotion for SIMON HUGHES.
I see the double entendre - but not sure how that resonated on the Heygate Estate. To me this looks like a classic case of traditional Liberal "It's a two horse race" campaigning (bearing in mind there was also an independent Labour candidate who had orignally been fancied to win).
I guess in 1983 we were all more used to "Round the Horne" rather than political correctness.
What, exactly do you, a lib-dem party member after 2010, see?
BTW this was Vauxhall in 2015
Labour Kate Hoey 25,778 53.8 4.0
Conservative James Bellis 13,070 27.3 5.7
Green Gulnar Hasnain 3,658 7.6 6.0
Liberal Democrat Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett 3,312 6.9 18.2
So if the LDs really do take a lot of votes of Labour they open the chance for the Tories to win, so your campaigning could do the opposite of what you supposedly want.
"This election is not about Brexit" say TUSC
I thought the thread was precisely about Brexit - in view of Kate Hoey's emulation of Handel's Water Music with Nigel Farage.
As regards tactical voting redsquirrel never mind taking votes off Labour - unless something is done about gentrification Vauxhall will be permanently Tory.
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