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house-buying - remedial class

kea said:
where's west dulwich? :confused:
<looks at map>
herne hill??

Just past East Dulwich - close to Dulwich Village, Park and College. Lovely and quiet but we have some nice little pubs are restaurants and its very leafy. The roads are wider and it feels less claustrophobic than a lot of London.

(Yes, south of Herne Hill).
 
marty21 said:
kea, have you looked into shared ownership, part rent/ part buy? it probably works out better in the short term, you don't have to get a chuffingly big mortgage initially, and can buy the rest of the place later on, but you do have to rent half of it or more so can be a little more pricier than renting


from what i've heard they're not that great value marty. plus we definitely can afford to buy - sorry to sound like a smug rich cow but money isn't really a problem, we've got a deposit of over half the value of the kinds of properties we're looking at and will need a mortgage of £100k max, which it shouldn't be a problem to secure given my income and Photo's parents' incomes (they don't have any other mortgages, they've paid off theirs already).
 
kea said:
from what i've heard they're not that great value marty. plus we definitely can afford to buy - sorry to sound like a smug rich cow but money isn't really a problem, we've got a deposit of over half the value of the kinds of properties we're looking at and will need a mortgage of £100k max, which it shouldn't be a problem to secure given my income and Photo's parents' incomes (they don't have any other mortgages, they've paid off theirs already).

right, well if you can afford to buy then shared ownership is a no go anyway...
 
yeah i know :D
it's more the process n all which worries me. i'm quite a stress-y person and i get the feeling that there are going to be a million and one things to worry about with house buying!! :eek:
maybe Photo should stock up with a bumper box of valium ... :D
 
In terms of mortgages I would recommend Nationwide (I used to work in financial research and they always came out well - I've also got my mortgage with them) Rates tend to be competitive and they don't try to pull the wool over your eyes with tricksy deals.

As for solicitors - always go on a recommendation, and don't just choose the cheapest. Mine was ferocious (he reduced me, the estate agent and the vendors solicitor to tears), but couldn't fault him on the work he did. I'm very suspicious of 'e-convenencying' and that kind of stuff.

We bought through Wooster and Stock - definitely recommend them as an estate agent, seem to have quite a different way of working.

Good luck - it is stressful but worth it in the end.
 
sunflower said:
Just past East Dulwich - close to Dulwich Village, Park and College. Lovely and quiet but we have some nice little pubs are restaurants and its very leafy. The roads are wider and it feels less claustrophobic than a lot of London.

(Yes, south of Herne Hill).

how's the transport links into canary wharf? ;)
 
Flaxman Road - not bad, there's a big residential area between Coldharbour, Denmark Hill and Camberwell New Road. Sort of thing.

Handy for the hospital!

Loughborough Jct is a bit of a shithole though.
 
kea said:
maybe Photo should stock up with a bumper box of valium ... :D

Funny you should say that actually as I had already thought about that :D

Cheers for all the help people :) Er..I would have questions if I could get my head round most of it :eek:
 
Check out the office of national statistics website - loads of interesting info about areas.

It is pretty stressful buying - when I bought my first flat, I turned up wit the keys and burst into tears because it looked so shabby and dirty! :( However, it was the best thing I ever did - nothing like not having to rely on a skanky landlord to get stuff done.
 
kea said:
how's the transport links into canary wharf? ;)

pants! thats my only gripe. Tulse Hill to London Bridge then Jubilee but I think though thats why its nice and chilled - if there was a tube station it'd be like anywhere else and prices would rocket :eek:

West Dulwich to Blackfriars or Victoria are good links though. Victoria is only 11mins. I cant fault living in the area though and i feel calmer when i get off the train after work and walk down the streets there. Esp after C.Wharf :D
 
one of the reasons i'm quite attatched to 'bellenden village' :rolleyes: is cos there are 2 train lines, so i can go into london bridge and also victoria, elephant and castle, blackfriars, city thameslink ... and i can also go to lewisham which is great for canary wharf cos of the DLR. that's why most days i don't go via london bridge - going via lewisham is much more chilled out!
 
trashpony said:
It is pretty stressful buying - when I bought my first flat, I turned up wit the keys and burst into tears because it looked so shabby and dirty! :( However, it was the best thing I ever did - nothing like not having to rely on a skanky landlord to get stuff done.

Ive done this too :D also be prepared for very grubby flats when you go to viewings. Some people are so dirty its incredible and make absolutely no effort to tidy or clean their flats when they know people are being shown round with potential to buy. :eek: :eek:
 
kea said:
one of the reasons i'm quite attatched to 'bellenden village' :rolleyes: is cos there are 2 train lines, so i can go into london bridge and also victoria, elephant and castle, blackfriars, city thameslink ... and i can also go to lewisham which is great for canary wharf cos of the DLR. that's why most days i don't go via london bridge - going via lewisham is much more chilled out!

dont you find peckham a bit mad busy though? I went to Primark on the High street the other day and felt a bit dizzy afterwards ;)
 
sunflower said:
dont you find peckham a bit mad busy though? I went to Primark on the High street the other day and felt a bit dizzy afterwards ;)

yeah the high street is proper mental but the residential streets are very quiet.
 
sunflower said:
Ive done this too :D also be prepared for very grubby flats when you go to viewings. Some people are so dirty its incredible and make absolutely no effort to tidy or clean their flats when they know people are being shown round with potential to buy. :eek: :eek:

My sister came with me to look at one flat and there were a family of five living in a one bed flat. She burst into tears when we left. It was really depressing actually. Be prepared to feel like a rich bitch. :(
 
a) how do you know roughly what a lender is likely to lend you? i heard a rumour of 5x your salary, is that about right?

It depends on numerous factors, and some will lend more than others. Best starting point is to ask your main bank how much they would lend you, based on your bank account (not suggesting for a moment that you should actually use them, just to get an idea, like). Also, figure out hopw much you can afford each month, and ask the bank how much that repayment would give you in terms of the amount you borrow.

b) how do you actually go about making an offer? do you make the offer, then apply for a mortgage, or do you have to have a mortgage organised before you make an offer?

Normally you have a mortgage very loosely agreed in principal before you make an offer. You don;t have to have any paperwork done, just a verbal indication of how much you can borrow. Some estate agents will want you to have a preliminary mortgage offer in writing, but most won't. To actually make the offer you just tell the sellers' estate agent that you want to make an offer.

c) how does it work once you've had an offer accepted? what's the timescale and what needs to be completed before you get to the point where you receive the keys and the place is yours?

Immediately after your offer is accepted, you'll be asked to provide your solicitor's details, so it would be good if you already had a solicitor and a lender lined up at this point. How long it takes depends to a large extent on whether there is a long chain involved (in other words, does everything depend on your seller finding a property to buy, and if so, does the person they are buying from need to find a property to buy too, etc. A long chain can be a nightmare, but you're at an advantage as a first time buyer, so at least there's no chain at your end).

It could take anything from a month, which would be incredibly fast, to several months if the chain keeps falling apart. The next step after your offer is accepted is exchange of contracts (when everything becomes legally binding), and at exchange of contracts you will make a definite completion date (when you exchange funds and get the keys). Exchange and completion can be simultaneous, but it's more usual for them to be a couple of weeks apart.

d) following on from c, what do you do about moving from rented accomodation? presumably you can't give notice til you've got the keys to your new place so you end up paying a month's rent unnecessarily?!

See above. Your solicitor should be able to give you a good indication of the completion date at exchange of contracts, and you can request a completion date which corresponds with the date you can move out of your rental.

e) do lenders or estate agents require references in the same way they do when you rent a place? do they need your employer to confirm how much you earn?

Depends who you use. If it's your bank, they may not require much, if it's a company you've never dealt with before, they'll need to know everything from your blood group to your sexual history.

f) if one of you is a student, presumably their parents have to guarantee their income in the same way as they do when renting? are there any other complications as a result of being a student and buying?

Dont know


edit: oh and -

g) how does your deposit work - do you have to have it available in an instant-access account before you make an offer? when do you pay it over? and does it go to the bank or direct to the seller?[/QUOTE]

You would give it to your solicitor in cheque form to be held in a client account at some point before exchange of contracts, although in reality the deposit is not usually paid in full before completion (when it would be paid with the rest of the funds from your mortgage lender). Your solicitor may only require a nominal sum (eg £500) to be used at exchange of contracts. Your lender will require proof of the existence of your deposit, and if it's tied up in a long-term account, you'll need to have access to it sooner rather than later, so better give notice now, or at least find out how much you'll lose by withdrawing it without giving notice.
 
sunflower said:
dont you find peckham a bit mad busy though? I went to Primark on the High street the other day and felt a bit dizzy afterwards ;)


the nice thing about where we live is that there's rye lane on one side, which is a bit mad, but then there's bellenden road on the other, which is nice and chilled and laid-back. basically once you're off the high st / rye lane, it's a pretty chilled place. there are lots of nice period houses, there are bars, there's a bookshop 30 seconds from my house now, plus a really nice clothes shop and a cocktail bar!
 
kea said:
the nice thing about where we live is that there's rye lane on one side, which is a bit mad, but then there's bellenden road on the other, which is nice and chilled and laid-back. basically once you're off the high st / rye lane, it's a pretty chilled place. there are lots of nice period houses, there are bars, there's a bookshop 30 seconds from my house now, plus a really nice clothes shop and a cocktail bar!

A bookshop? Since when :eek:

Now that's gentrification for you.
 
it's on bellenden road, on the corner with choumert rd (where the wishing well is). did you see the wanky indonesian wooden furniture shop that used to be there? anyway, about a month ago it metamorphosed into a poncy bookshop full of art books which does cappucinos and stuff.
 
hey, come down and have a drink with us at the wishing well and we can show you! there's a designer dress shop too (but i'm not complaining about that cos i've bought stuff in there already :o ).
 
You should be able to get an "in principle" mortgage offer over the phone -- they'll ask you some financial questions, and do a credit check. Only when you actually want to proceed with the mortgage do you have to give them proof of income -- usually in the form of three months of bank statements, and three months of pay slips. Make sure you have these, and also some up-to-date bills (no more than three months old). Check out the Guardian Money section on a Saturday -- they always have a league table of the best mortgage deals around at the moment. Bear in mind, if you go for a discount, the cost of remortgaging once the discount is over. We've just remortgaged with First Active on a five year deal, because it costs hundreds of pounds in fees to move a mortgage, so ideally you don't want to be doing it every couple of years.

The financial advisor onenameshelley mentioned is Alexander Hall -- we used them a couple of years ago and they were quite good, but I think they now charge a fee. charcolonline is meant to be good -- I don't think they charge a fee if you do the legwork yourself. To be honest, mortgage companies make it very easy these days (ime).

My solicitor was excellent -- all my friends have used him as well. PM me if you want his details. (He only accepts personal recommendations at the moment!!).

Buying a house is extremely stressful, but you'll be glad you did it! Good luck.
 
thanks ms t :)
do they want bank statements for all my accounts or only the one which my salary goes into? also do they need credit card statements too? and will they need them for Photo too? (his aren't as pretty as mine :D )
 
kea said:
the nice thing about where we live is that there's rye lane on one side, which is a bit mad, but then there's bellenden road on the other, which is nice and chilled and laid-back. basically once you're off the high st / rye lane, it's a pretty chilled place. there are lots of nice period houses, there are bars, there's a bookshop 30 seconds from my house now, plus a really nice clothes shop and a cocktail bar!

Is Rye Lane where Primark is then? V.manic and lots of butchers shops which made me gag. There are some really beautiful houses as the train passes Peckham Rye which must be where you live? Square-roofed victorian properties - very unusual, very gorgeous (very expensive?!)
 
kea said:
thanks ms t :)
do they want bank statements for all my accounts or only the one which my salary goes into? also do they need credit card statements too? and will they need them for Photo too? (his aren't as pretty as mine :D )

They will ask you about any debt, including the balances on your credit cards. It sounds like you'll be mainly borrowing on your income at the moment, so I'm not sure how interested they'll be in photos accounts. You will find a big deposit makes them considerably less jumpy. Remember that basically all they are trying to work out is if you can afford the repayments, and how much of a risk you are. I have never been asked to provide credit card statements, but then I pay mine off every month.

My friends are about to sell their flat on Ivanhoe Road (just off Dog Kennel Hill -- v. close to Bellenden Road but nearer the E.Dulwich bit) -- don't suppose you want to buy it?!! ;-)
 
Last time I was asked for 6months of current account bank statements which id of course thrown away :( ) so had to pay for copies from Natwest. ive never had to provide any credit card statements although like someone else said they need to know what kind of balance you have on there and also any storecards or other loans you might have.

Are you taking this all in Kea :D
 
sunflower said:
Is Rye Lane where Primark is then? V.manic and lots of butchers shops which made me gag. There are some really beautiful houses as the train passes Peckham Rye which must be where you live? Square-roofed victorian properties - very unusual, very gorgeous (very expensive?!)


yes primark is at the top of rye lane - it gets quieter as you walk south down it, til 10 mins' walk south you reach the rye, which is the common and is lovely and leafy.

yes we live just south of peckham rye station. the houses you mean are part of the conservation area, and yes they're worth a bit. we live in a converted workshop, so it's kinda a blend of old and new - old brick walls and flagstone floor downstairs, and a new glass roof upstairs, metal spiral staircase and nice new bathroom with a shower that's glazed on 3 sides so you feel like you're showering outside!

so yeah we're a bit spoilt already, it'll be hard to find somewhere to buy that meets our exacting standards ;)
 
Ms T said:
My friends are about to sell their flat on Ivanhoe Road (just off Dog Kennel Hill -- v. close to Bellenden Road but nearer the E.Dulwich bit) -- don't suppose you want to buy it?!! ;-)


:eek: depends how long they can wait!! :D quite possibly interested tho!
 
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