Hope you're looking after our urn

[liquidlunch]

It's just that in the UK the word 'paki' has come to be an offensive word, much like the n-word, to mean anyone of racially south asian origins, be they sri lankan, indian, bengali, pakistani, etc. It isn't specifically used to mean just pakistanis, which as you say would be similar to aussie, brit or whatever.

Thanks for that,i can understand why everyone fired up now.The n word is repulsive to me as well and anyone that uses it as far as i am concerned is a shitbag.
As far as Australia being full of racism,that in itself is a false generalization.There will always be a minority of bigots in any country and we have our share however the fair minded and honest people outweigh them 1000 to 1.

 

[chieftain]

And seeing as the urn has spent 9 more years on this side of the world than yours,you bunch of sad,blubbering,wingeing,humourless,knowitall schoolboys will have it for only another year before it is returned to its rightfull place

cough cough, convicts <<<<<<< joke!!

 

[Good Intentions]

because we want it back soon.Dunno if you lot are paying attention but at the mo we are giving South Africa a lesson[bout 450 in front and they are 2 wickets down with 2 days play left].

Quite a few people (Ricky Ponting, the Oz commentators) didn't seem to realise that that pitch didn't give the bowlers any favours. Even when it started falling apart and Warne did what he does it was far too hard to get the batsmen out. Of course the Aussies think their bowling attack is all-devouring and everybody else are enthusiastic amateurs, and ignored what the problems the SA attack had (of course we'll be able to bowl a side out twice in something with less life than the Office US).

It was an interesting, well played draw from both sides. Well done to Hodge, good show for Rudolph.

 

[Good Intentions]

And as for the racial slur thing:

It comes down to self-identification, doesn't it? Aussies call themselves aussies all the time and it doesn't bother them anything, but you'll be hard pressed to find Ntini calling himself a darkie, or whatever the idiots in Perth shouted at him.

 

[liquidlunch]

And as for the racial slur thing:

It comes down to self-identification, doesn't it? Aussies call themselves aussies all the time and it doesn't bother them anything, but you'll be hard pressed to find Ntini calling himself a darkie, or whatever the idiots in Perth shouted at him.

The idiots in Perth would have been shouted down 2 seconds after they uttered that slur but no one reports that.That kind of shit has no place in sport[or anywhere else for that matter] and most aussies would be offended by it.

 

[Bazza]

What about calling Lebanese 'Lebs'? Is that a harmless shortening.....didn't seem it in Sydney last week.

In your defence, George Bush also made the 'Paki' mistake and had to apologise......It is particularly offensive to use it here though.

 

[keane4president]

I expect it from idiots like George Bush though

 

[liquidlunch]

What about calling Lebanese 'Lebs'? Is that a harmless shortening.....didn't seem it in Sydney last week.

In your defence, George Bush also made the 'Paki' mistake and had to apologise......It is particularly offensive to use it here though.

Dunno about that Sydney thing.The whole country is shocked that people can behave in that fashion.I live on the other side of the country in a town of 3000 people about as far away from Sydney as you can get.There is always gang related violence making the news from there but it seems to have gotten very bad over the last 6 months.It all started when 2 Lifesavers were set upon by a group of men of middle eastern appearence after they were asked to leave the beach for lewd behavior and suggestive comments to female beachgoers.The next weekend a protest was held and the whole mess started from there.To quote JOHN DENVER"Thank god i'm a country boy"

 

[ice-is-forming]

culture and language, its a minefield to be sure.

 

[Echo Base]

Hasnt it ALWAYS been our urn?

 

[liquidlunch]

Hasnt it ALWAYS been our urn?

If you check your history Aust won the first test series played between the countries and have held it for a total of 9 years longer since its inception

 

[chieftain]

If you check your history Aust won the first test series played between the countries and have held it for a total of 9 years longer since its inception

who
gives
a
fucking
shit?

 

[Streathamite]

Thanks for that,i can understand why everyone fired up now.The n word is repulsive to me as well and anyone that uses it as far as i am concerned is a shitbag.
As far as Australia being full of racism,that in itself is a false generalization.There will always be a minority of bigots in any country and we have our share however the fair minded and honest people outweigh them 1000 to 1.

i'd say this 2nd para is true, and - to be fair to snowypat, i remember him taking it very well and beuing very sportsmanlike when we won the ashes.
but do remember this, snowypat; if there is one consensus on something as diverse u75, it's an anti-racist consensus. using the 'p' word will ALWAYS go down like a nazi salute at a synagogue.

 

[JTG]

If you check your history Aust won the first test series played between the countries and have held it for a total of 9 years longer since its inception

If you check your history, the Ashes were not awarded for the first series and they've spent the vast majority of their life at Lord's.

So yeah, our urn whoever happens to have won them

 

[1927]

If you check your history, the Ashes were not awarded for the first series and they've spent the vast majority of their life at Lord's.

So yeah, our urn whoever happens to have won them

Th ewhole point of the Ashes is that they are meant to be the ashes of the bails from the first series that Engalnd lost to Australia so they couldnt have been awraded for the first series. As far as i am aware they never actually leave Lord's so talk of them being on the other side of the world are bollox

 

[liquidlunch]

Th ewhole point of the Ashes is that they are meant to be the ashes of the bails from the first series that Engalnd lost to Australia so they couldnt have been awraded for the first series. As far as i am aware they never actually leave Lord's so talk of them being on the other side of the world are bollox

Yes quite true,they never leave Lords in body,only in spirit so to speak.However the urn that is awarded to the winning side is a ceremonial urn and it has spent longer over here than over there
The first series was won by us and the MCC then put the ashes into an urn and diplayed it with Australia etched into the first spot.But the MCC would not part with it as they feared "the colonials"might mistreat it or gamble it away or use it to poke fun at the dear old motherland.Ha ha,we do anyway and derive great pleasure and mirth from it.
I only wish the fish would bite as well as half you mob there
PS Thanks jezza,no more p words from me

 

[JTG]

Nonsense, it was given to Ivo Bligh by the ladies of Melbourne upon winning the series in Australia. As such, there's an argument for saying they don't even belong to the MCC, they're on loan from Bligh's family.

 

[Batboy]

And as for the racial slur thing:

It comes down to self-identification, doesn't it? Aussies call themselves aussies all the time and it doesn't bother them anything, but you'll be hard pressed to find Ntini calling himself a darkie, or whatever the idiots in Perth shouted at him.

Im Pakistan they call themselves 'Pakis'

 

[jannerboyuk]

Im Pakistan they call themselves 'Pakis'

Well thats ok then. Also i've noticed that some black people call themselves and their close friends 'niggers' so thats an ok word as well now, is it?

 

[Dan U]

i've got an indian mate who in matters of cricket refers to pakistan as 'the (insert insult of choice) paki's'

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Well exactly, Britain doesn't rule the world on what word should or shouldn't be racist, and if it wasn't for the skinhead cunts running about shouting "we're going paki bashing" or whatever, then maybe the word "paki" would've remained as it is down under, rather like "brits" is now.

actually i think that you'll find the british do have exclusive rights on the english language despite what austrailians or more recently americans happen to think see in france they speak french italy italian you see the underlyig basis for this the english language is suprisingly enough controlled by the english ergo if we define with in our language that a word is offensive then it's offensive no matter where in the world or for that matter the dogeral version of the language you speak...

more over most austrailians i know are aware that there are negative conitations to the word paki and also that it's considered offensive in aus to, although the level of accepted insitutionalised racism is significantly higher... so it's used more out of ignorence or as short hand slang, however ignorence is no excuse...

either way this is a british based board and it's offensive according to board etiqutte here so no matter whether you find it offensive or not it's best to observe the local customs when posting here...

If i were you i'd apologise for the inadvertant offensive and then resolve not to do it again, preffereably in life but if you are too concieted a human to do that then at least whilst you are using these boards...

 

[Batboy]

Well thats ok then. Also i've noticed that some black people call themselves and their close friends 'niggers' so thats an ok word as well now, is it?

Yes it is ok then.

Go read my 'words and intent' thread..you are getting hung up on a 'word' and not looking at the 'intent' by the person stating the 'word'.

I have very close friends who are black and have in sardonic jest and satirical affectionate context used the word 'nigger' as they have also with 'honky' now that may be an age/east london thing and I certainly would not use the term in general conversation, intended as offensive or aim it at anyone who I don't know but to isolate a 'word' without looking at the 'context' and 'intent' in communicating the word creates division and misunderstanding all round IMHO.

Take

You soppy cunt
You fucking cunt!

There is a difference in delivery, context and intent

 

[liquidlunch]

actually i think that you'll find the british do have exclusive rights on the english language despite what austrailians or more recently americans happen to think see in france they speak french italy italian you see the underlyig basis for this the english language is suprisingly enough controlled by the english ergo if we define with in our language that a word is offensive then it's offensive no matter where in the world or for that matter the dogeral version of the language you speak...

more over most austrailians i know are aware that there are negative conitations to the word paki and also that it's considered offensive in aus to, although the level of accepted insitutionalised racism is significantly higher... so it's used more out of ignorence or as short hand slang, however ignorence is no excuse...

either way this is a british based board and it's offensive according to board etiqutte here so no matter whether you find it offensive or not it's best to observe the local customs when posting here...

If i were you i'd apologise for the inadvertant offensive and then resolve not to do it again, preffereably in life but if you are too concieted a human to do that then at least whilst you are using these boards...

arggggghhhhh just blow it out ya arse will ya.I have apologised for my ignorance and you say it is no excuse.How the fucken hell would i know what the conitations of a word is in dreary olde england never having visited your gloomy shores.The word over here is not derogatory and all the aussies i know use it frequently without malice.

 

[tarannau]

Im Pakistan they call themselves 'Pakis'

Really? My Urdu must be slipping, but I can't recall ever uttering 'Paki'...

There's certainly a grain of truth about context in there. Middle-aged white commentators, as uninformed and naive as they might be, should show greater sensitivity using terms like that, especially in a country with a hefty number of English ex-pats who certainly know the negative connotations.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

actually i think that you'll find the british do have exclusive rights on the english language despite what austrailians or more recently americans happen to think see in france they speak french italy italian you see the underlyig basis for this the english language is suprisingly enough controlled by the english ergo if we define with in our language that a word is offensive then it's offensive no matter where in the world or for that matter the dogeral version of the language you speak...

more over most austrailians i know are aware that there are negative conitations to the word paki and also that it's considered offensive in aus to, although the level of accepted insitutionalised racism is significantly higher... so it's used more out of ignorence or as short hand slang, however ignorence is no excuse...

either way this is a british based board and it's offensive according to board etiqutte here so no matter whether you find it offensive or not it's best to observe the local customs when posting here...

If i were you i'd apologise for the inadvertant offensive and then resolve not to do it again, preffereably in life but if you are too concieted a human to do that then at least whilst you are using these boards...

Give it a rest. It's clear how Snowypat meant it and he's made it clear that he now understands the reaction. Fair play to him IMO.

Now can we get back to some gloating please?

ETA: and obviously we don't have 'exclusive' rights to decide what words mean. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Flashman]

actually i think that you'll find the british do have exclusive rights on the english language despite what austrailians or more recently americans happen to think see in france they speak french italy italian you see the underlyig basis for this the english language is suprisingly enough controlled by the english ergo if we define with in our language that a word is offensive then it's offensive no matter where in the world or for that matter the dogeral version of the language you speak...

more over most austrailians i know are aware that there are negative conitations to the word paki and also that it's considered offensive in aus to, although the level of accepted insitutionalised racism is significantly higher... so it's used more out of ignorence or as short hand slang, however ignorence is no excuse...

either way this is a british based board and it's offensive according to board etiqutte here so no matter whether you find it offensive or not it's best to observe the local customs when posting here...

If i were you i'd apologise for the inadvertant offensive and then resolve not to do it again, preffereably in life but if you are too concieted a human to do that then at least whilst you are using these boards...

 

[tarannau]

Leave it - I reckon Garfield's currently on a challenge to write the most numbskulled 'controversial' nonsense he can at every opportunity. He's doing very well at it - most convincing...



Anyway, there's not enough gloating on this thread. For all their mouth, the Australians have collapsed again in the first day of the second test against SA. One second they've over 200 for 3, the next they've collapsed to nearly all out for 239. Simply marvellous - not only are they old and in decline, they seem to have developed a wonderful habit of choking under pressure after the Ashes. The aura of confidence has gone after England beat them, and unless they find some new blood they're in bad trouble - those superannuated bones aren't going to carry on for ever...

 

[Isambard]

It's also worth mentioning that the word "wog" has a slightly different meaning in Australia but certainly isn't neutral.

Just back from Oz and I got a couple of "Les Norton" books cos the stories are fully of funny clichés. OK, they are 10 years old know but I am more than alittle shocked about the casual racism against non-Anglo Celtic immigrants and Aboriginies.

Only Australian I heard was that was suprised about the riots in Sydney was bloody John Howard on the radio.

Using words about yourself is OK, even about close friends in certain situations.
But there are limits and in mixed company (like Urban) such terms are best avoided.

 

[Good Intentions]

Anyway, there's not enough gloating on this thread. For all their mouth, the Australians have collapsed again in the first day of the second test against SA. One second they've over 200 for 3, the next they've collapsed to nearly all out for 239. Simply marvellous - not only are they old and in decline, they seem to have developed a wonderful habit of choking under pressure after the Ashes. The aura of confidence has gone after England beat them, and unless they find some new blood they're in bad trouble - those superannuated bones aren't going to carry on for ever...

Nel doing his best to make up for dropping a sitter with Ponting at 17...

I think we can forgive him

 

[liquidlunch]

It's also worth mentioning that the word "wog" has a slightly different meaning in Australia but certainly isn't neutral.

Just back from Oz and I got a couple of "Les Norton" books cos the stories are fully of funny clichés. OK, they are 10 years old know but I am more than alittle shocked about the casual racism against non-Anglo Celtic immigrants and Aboriginies.

Only Australian I heard was that was suprised about the riots in Sydney was bloody John Howard on the radio.

Using words about yourself is OK, even about close friends in certain situations.
But there are limits and in mixed company (like Urban) such terms are best avoided.

Les Norton rules,Bob Barrett the author has written about 14 Norton books i think and they all hang a lot of shit on everyone,aussies included but no offence is meant and judging by the popularity of the books none is taken.We have a great ability to laugh at ourselves and anyone else around us but the racism that people talk about in australia is not true to 99 percent of the population.In years gone by it was much worse than it is now.