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Honeytrap - groundbreaking Brixton film about gang culture goes for crowdfunding

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    It's regular and very gratefully received contributions from posters, plus volunteers giving their time for free.
     
  2. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Exactly. It is very different to funding a film using financiers and then seeking distribution deals.
     
  3. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Perhaps she should do a film about an independent film maker trying to obtain crowdfunding from Urban75.
     
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  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Once again, I don't feel this hypothetical strawman stuff about loaded speculators going off and buying expensive cars and houses for themselves in a crowd-sourced cash frenzy is even slightly relevant to this discussion.

    There may be an argument about the ethics of profit-making crowdsourced projects but - come on - this is hardly a film that's going to rake in zillions, or is it one aimed at creating profit above all else, is it?
     
  5. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    OK forget the stuff you've quoted. The point Rushy is making still stands:

    1. It's not clear what financial model is being adopted here.
    2. One possible financial model could result in later investors making money off the back of the initial crowdfunder investors, who get nothing in return.
    3. It would be good if they could be clearer about the financial model to reassure potential crowdfunders that this wasn't the case.
    4. None of this prevents anyone donating a tenner if they want to and they are not bothered about a return.
    5. None of this is a criticism of the proposed film itself.

    What's controversial about wanting a bit of clarity?

    Honestly Ed, you are needlessly defensive sometimes.
     
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  6. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    It is such a shame that you put so much effort into aggressively trivialising the views and questions of others rather than allowing open discussion.

    ETA - Ed edited his post (quoted in full above) adding a paragraph accepting there may be an argument about the way crowdsource projects are funded only after both Winot and I had responded to his blanket dismissal. That's poor because it makes us look like we were selectively quoting him.:mad:

    But glad that he accepts the argument is not nonsense even if he is inexpicably suggesting that it is only a theoretical argument and not applicable to this case.
     
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  7. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    For sure. But there needs to be something to overcome,or there is no story. And "high stakes" is a relative term. The events of submarine, great film, are nominally low stakes stuff, by and large, but high stakes to the protagonist. If nobody gives a shit either way, then often, neither will the audience.
     
  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Actually, it's because my browser froze but why you're assuming that anything I say about this particular film - you know, the one this thread is about - should automatic apply to every other crowd sourced project in the universe is beyond me.
     
  9. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    I was asking about this film - as is abundantly clear from my posts.
    You have given no reason why you think what I have asked is not applicable to this film, other than that I am cynical.
    Which is your usual habit of turning discussion into a personal matter- e.g. the reason you are wrong is because of your own problems.
    Which suggests that you are floundering, as usual.

    Next you will accuse me of bullying you again because I would not accept you trivialising my POV.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You really are quite unpleasant. I answered your question. Go try and stir up personal shit elsewhere, because I'm not interested.
     
  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Then why not write to them and ask if you're serious about investing in the film?
     
  12. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    :rolleyes:

    Let's agree to differ.

    What - you mean somewhere posters are free to express opinions with which the head mod doesn't agree?

    Uh-huh.
     
  13. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Mrs Magpie and a few others were right, the film is based on the girl who 'set up' Shakilus Townsend (see this from Rebecca's website)


    Origins of the story and why I want to tell it.
    The starting point for the film is the case of Samantha Joseph.

    In July 2008, Samantha led sixteen-year-old Shakilus Townsend into an ambush, where he was murdered by her boyfriend and his gang. This took place in a South London suburb in the early afternoon, in full sight of residents.

    HONEYTRAP

    is not a factual retelling of this case. Instead it uses it as a point of departure to delve into the mind of a young girl like Samantha to find out how she could arrive at such a place.

    When such ‘senseless’ cases are reported, almost weekly, in the media, the isolated facts and blank-eyed mugshots paint a picture of young people without emotions.

    In my work with young people in South London over the last ten years, I have seen that the truth is much more complex and tragic. Young people very often get involved in violence as a way of trying to control powerful conflicting emotions they don’t know how to process or deal with.
     
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  14. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Hey, I only wrote the first line of the last post
     
  15. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    Are you using a phone shygirl? Odd stuff can happen with a phone on the boards
     
  16. George & Bill

    George & Bill Well-Known Member

    As an aside, I think there should be a point of order on this thread to say that 'crowdsourcing' is not the same thing as 'crowdfunding'. The latter, as in the case of this project, is when a project seeks multiple small donations from punters hoping to see it succeed, usually without offering any formal stake/equity share but sometimes offering some small perk or kickback as an incentive. The former is when the actual content/makeup of a project/document/idea are sourced by asking punters at large to submit contributions - in the form of ideas, rather than cash.
     
  17. Frumious B.

    Frumious B. Well-Known Member

    The Evening Standard reports that Johnson raised ten grand in three days http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ew-new-film-through-crowdfunding-8541825.html

     
  18. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    They are actually up to 28,000 (not sure if it is $ as written on the site, or £).
    Someone has put in a 15,000 donation and three people have put in $1,500 each.
     
  19. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    If I put in that kind of money I'd certainly want some kind of return.
     
  20. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Filming has started, it was outside the Academy earlier. I didn't take kindly to being asked to move by them, on the pretext that I might get run over. Shortly after that, I witnessed an elderly woman with shopping bags being asked to divert slightly so that they could continue with their filming. The woman didn't want to change her route and it wasn't until I suggested we ring Lambeth licensing that the guy allowed her to go on her way.
     
  21. girasol

    girasol visual spaceship pilot

    What's wrong with changing the route a little bit so someone can do some filming? Is the world that much of a mean place?
     
  22. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    She was elderly, a bit confused and didn't want to cross the busy road.
     
  23. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    Why didn't they just pause for a moment and let her pass through. :confused:
     
  24. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

    Film sets have to be very restrictive about allowing access. There is lots of valuable equipment and allowing public access can impact upon your insurance should anything happen to them or to your kit. Also, if you pause for everyone who wants access the shoot will drag on. They are scheduled very tightly and the smallest disruption can throw it all out.

    They would have paid a license to the company that now manage filming permits in Lambeth, which will generally give them exclusive access to an area. Or access with an agreed method of public access (if you block a road you may have to re-open it every 10 minutes or so to allow built up traffic to pass).

    That said, an experienced runner or location manager would be a fool to make an issue of a little old lady with shopping. They should have got someone to escort her home with her bags and avoided the fuss.

    A good location manager makes all the difference between a shoot that can get on with locals and one that just alienates them!
     
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  25. girasol

    girasol visual spaceship pilot

    Good news for Honeytrap (2:00 in) - Selected for BFI London Festival :)

    "Rebecca has also been nominated for the 'Best British Newcomer' Award - the ceremony takes place on October 18th."
     
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  26. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And here it is, at the Ritzy:

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    And it's picking up positive reviews too:

    Well done to all involved.
     
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  29. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    i;ve got an idea for a film about gangs - it could focus on the people who have been affected by them - instead of the people in them. then you'll really see how much of a problem it is.
     
  30. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    The people in them are also affected by them.
     

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