Hondo's huge plans for Pope's Road, Brixton

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, May 17, 2019.

  1. blameless77

    blameless77 Well-Known Member

    Their. Their. Their. Their. Not There. There is a house. Their house is theirs. PLEASE.
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  2. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I agree - but since when has design ever been a planning consideration in Lambeth?
  3. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

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  4. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    From the Urban Dictionary:

    Top definition ... Dude there's a big ass party in Hondo tonight. ... I think I just took the worlds fastest hondo (appropriate for use after a case of diahreaha).
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  5. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Oh, they've quietly introduced the idea of a hotel to be bolted on to their Tower Of Unknown Height

    And here's another dishonest image giving no idea as to how high the fucking thing is going to be:


    Am I missing something here, but where's the road gone?
  6. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Oh, and here's some no-doubt 'racist' observations from readers:

    SEAN GRIFFITHS21 MAY, 2019 8:48 AM
    No! No! No! An awful piece of gentrification. Where is the critique AJ?

    ANDREW BUDD21 MAY, 2019 9:43 AM
    Absolutely! When this is completed little if any of the community its intended to address will be there any more having been 'cleansed' by an influx of chain restaurants and hipsters.

    WALTER MENTETH21 MAY, 2019 10:10 AM
    Where is the critique AJ? Not only re impacts to the existing community & its social value, but for example does this finally include a much needed Brixton station on the London Overground & Vic. line tube interconnection?

    MICHAEL BADU21 MAY, 2019 10:12 AM
    I'm with Sean and Andrew on this. I would just add that it seems like quite a nice building, but it's in the wrong place and those skylights look impossible? Just when you thought there's already been peak gentrification there. Where's the critique in indeed AJ?

    Adjaye Associates reveals designs for Brixton Market development
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  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I was walking by the site today on way home. Went down Valentia place.

    Looking at the foot print of this development some of the business in the arches could have to go.

    This may affect the Bureau of Silly Ideas.

    It is likely imo they will talk to Network rail about the arches.
  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Looks like Pope's road is pedestrianised.
  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I see the arches by this new development will extend Brixtons shopping experience. Oh great.:rolleyes: 3153306_popes_road_exhibiton_boards61.jpg

    Why does this look like a futuristic dystopia? It does to me.
  10. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Gotta love the way they keep painting in Jamaican flags into their designs.
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  11. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I know people rave about Brixton Market and Borough Market - but just in the course of viewing on of those vox pops on TV re the election tomorrow, they did one from the market in Leeds. Leeds Kirkgate Market pisses all over ours. Clearly the only reason its unknown here is the sort of racism against northerners that exists in the ne're do well drunken elites of Brixton.
    From Trip adviser:
    I love Leeds market with its huge amount of stalls selling everything from posh delicatessen produce to plug fuses. Big enough to wander around for ages and great for cheap street food and fresh fish.
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  12. happyshopper

    happyshopper Well-Known Member

    Haven't Network Rail sold off the arches?
  13. editor

    editor hiraethified

    There's loads of better 'normal' markets around - Cardiff has a fine one too - but Lambeth and the rich kid Hondo bunch aren't interested in catering to the less well-off. This is all about foodies, tourists, cocktail bars, hipster shops, posh wine and craft beer outlets, groovy hotels and fucking DJs everywhere. They want to turn the place into a in-flight magazine-friendly 'destination' for the well off. Like a soulless Camden laced with faux-edginess.
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  14. organicpanda

    organicpanda cat herder extraodinaire

    the architect on duty on Saturday said the businesses in the arches would still be there but might have to move during construct (where have we heard that before), some of the arches have better more secure leases than the ones on Atlantic Road, however..........
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  15. Lambeth Boy

    Lambeth Boy Active Member

    If the new landlords want the Arch tenants out trust me they will get them out with their proven track record used all over London and recently used on Phase 1 of Atlantic / Station Rd Traders i.e loss of ‘ enhanced compensation ‘ if they argue , losing your right to return after the ‘ refurb ‘ etc , more bullshit , etc
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  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    If they were hendo's, I suspect they'd be more articulate and community-centric. :)
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  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Adjaye is also behind the proposed abortion of a Holocaust Memorial in Victoria Tower Gardens, next to Parliament. There's already a Holocaust Memorial in Hyde Park, but Adjaye wants to introduce one with an "education centre" attached, which will totally fuck the surrounding area which is already saturated with coaches parking up, and will eat 1/3rd of an already-small park. Adjaye's justification for his golden toast-rack (the kindest description I can give for his carbuncle) is that it will "disrupt" the thinking of park users.

    I've visited Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, Budapest and Vienna, as well as Hyde Park. They all have an air of dignity and solemnity about them. Adjaye's toast-rack doesn't suit the park or the subject.
  18. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Judging by the "London Society" website this could be another Garden Bridge, where it doesn't happen, and millions of pounds gets wasted.

    There might be a strong case for such a facility in Stamford Hill or Golders Green.
    You are right the Westminster area is over-congested. I suppose David Adjaye and his sponsors are looking to rival Berlin as you seem to intimate.

    However this is to stray from Popes Road - and seems a tad ad hominem IYAM!
  19. Jimbeau

    Jimbeau Lurker

    Love or loathe Adjaye’s design, he didn’t stipulate either the site or the inclusion of a learning centre. We have one David Cameron to thank for that.

    The ten shortlisted entries are here: UK Holocaust Memorial International Design Competition
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  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I find this rather distasteful use of the Holocaust.
    Its about bigging up UK defeating Hitler. Which yes is true. But UK history isn't exactly all about standing up to prejudice. I'd rather a centre about UK involvement in slavery and the way this country plundered and oppressed other countries in the Empire.

    This monument is not about the Holocaust its about saying look what a great tolerant country UK is because we fought Hitler.

    Forgetting previous centuries.
  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  22. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

  23. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Be kind of useful if this discussion was focussed on the huge redevelopment that is taking place in Brixton and the stuff about Churchill, holocaust memorials and whatnots spun off into a more relevant thread in a more relevant forum.
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  24. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

    Is a fair point. I just waded in misreading the thread about involving *Honda’s* plans for Brixton.

    And *of course* you care about what’s happening to your manor. International capital does have a way of coming along and fucking up the things you love.

    Maybe a thread split?
  25. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

  26. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Interesting discussion on the Buzz article. The point about higher levels getting much less footfall is bang on.

    Major vibrancy-creating redevelopment proposed for Pope’s Road in Brixton – and Hondo’s half-arsed consultation
  27. thebackrow

    thebackrow Active Member

    This seems in line with the masterplan that's been around for some years - it's an ugly and under-used part of central Brixton, sandwiched between two railway lines. Looked at on google earth that space seems very underused at the moment.

    The proximity of the railway lines means shops and office space make more sense than housing (until you get very high, hence a taller tower here. I don't have an issue with that either - there's already a 15 storey council block nearby but between the tracks seems more appropriate than anywhere else in Brixton). Offices mean more daytime foot traffic - that's good for local shops cafe's and restaurants.

    Personally I like the brutalism and the concept of an upper floor of shops meeting double height arches.

    Issues? the retail units look small. I always understood one of the issues in Brixton was the small size of the retail units - most too small for larger chains which bring in the footfall that makes smaller places viable (which is why shopping malls fight to bring in 'anchor tenants' like M&S and John Lewis). High street retail is tough though - most big chains are shinking. Two storey shopping centres don't seem to work at a small scale - the upper units are less desirable and cheaper so the prime outlets go at ground level meaning little traffic on second floor which goes steadily downhill (upper units in old arcades in Cardiff don't work). Really big shopping malls seem to be the only exception. This looks like it's going to create small units which will be newly fitted out with high rents. Not sure who's going to fill them.
  28. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Not to the artists who have been happily using them for decades! They'll be out on their arse soon to make way for MORE bars and restaurants and upmarket tourists shops.
  29. thebackrow

    thebackrow Active Member

    Ok - didn't realise they were artists using them. Always looked like a lot of junk storage from the outside or even looking down from the sports direct rooftop.

    Low cost artist studios, or workshops for "makers" are a real issue in London. It shouldn't be beyond the planners to designate space in redevelopments for particular uses but it never seems to actually happen.
  30. editor

    editor hiraethified

    That's probably because artist workshops don't make enough $$$. Just look what happened at Peckham Levels - the bid to build loads of useful small studios was rejected in place of an awful Pop Brixton MkII.

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