Hondo's huge plans for Pope's Road, Brixton

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, May 17, 2019.

  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

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  2. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Nice use of Jamaican flags.
  3. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    There's more in the Brixton bugle, a 50-50 split between shops and restaurants and open til 12 for market row and brixton village.
  4. editor

    editor hiraethified

  5. Ms T

    Ms T Honey-coloured ramparts

    I read this as hendo’s plans....:thumbs:
  6. Throbbing Angel

    Throbbing Angel Gabba Gabba-pentin

    Same here
  7. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Kind of surprised there's so little comment here given the enormity of the plans...
  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I will go and have a look tomorrow.

    This looks to me like obvious case of gentrification.
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    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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  10. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

    The plans are so vague it’s hard to make comments.. was there any details about how high they are planning on going? Certainly going to have a major impact on central Brixton
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  11. editor

    editor hiraethified

    It's so fucking dishonest to just have the buildings fading into the sky. How can you express an opinion when you've only been given a glimpse of what's being proposed.

    Meanwhile some fucking idiot called Devvon has declared Buzz "institutional racist" because we didn't warm to the design. :facepalm:

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  12. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    At least that means Brixton Buzz is now an institution.
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  13. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

    What a fucking twat!
  14. Nivag

    Nivag Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the IP address matches Sir David's office?
    My money is on the researcher with a similar name :hmm:
    Adjaye Associates
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  15. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    What is your point exactly?
    The website you have linked to is Sir David Adjaye's company.
    Moreover if you download the pdf file linked to by Brixton Buzz the section headed "Design Team" has a picture of Adjaye's National Museum of African American Culture Washington DC heading up that section.
    National Museum.jpg
    I have a slight sympathy for Devvon's point. I can't think of any Brixton Buzz article concerning a black architect. Moreover the late Zaha Hadid - Evelyn Grace Academy - seemed to attract massive approval.

    In view of the current furore I rather wish I'd gone to the consultation instead of Sainsbury's!
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  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I had a look at the boards.

    Its two blocks. From what I can see the one furthest away from Popes road will be lower. Due to issue of blocking sunlight and overlooking on the new flats on CHL.

    The block nearest Pope's road, the photo of it that does not show its height, looks to me where they are going to try to stick a big tower.

    That's why they concentrate on discussing all the community benefits for ground level extension of market.

    They are going to make the project work profit wise by getting planning for as high a tower as they can.

    This consultation exercise is a softening up exercise.

    Reading the boards from the public exhibition its all about how Hondo are (like Squires) doing a lot for the community. The architect they have employed is black and so wants development that builds on Brixton diversity.

    So (and this reminds me of Squires) Hondo aren't stupid.

    Noticed they say this land is not in the Brixton conservation area.
  17. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Did you pick up any mention of flats? The pdf only seems to talk of offices and a hotel.
    Very unusual for a development not to have flats pre-sold off plan in Penang these days.
  18. editor

    editor hiraethified

    That's because the article wasn't about the architect but about the vague plans that had been submitted.

    To imply there's some sort of racism going on because I didn't like the 'fading into the sky' ugly blocks is both ridiculous and insulting. I have no sympathy for his baseless slurs at all.

    This is not pleasing or attractive architecture. It looks like something cheap and bleak from the 70s.


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  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Could be up to 15 storeys. It's plain deceitful not to give any information about the height when 'consulting' the public.

    Brixton Central Masterplan looks to extend Brixton Village and build a 15 storey residential block
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  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I think he's batting for his team. Proud that a prestige black architect is doing the job.
    Personally I'm not wild about overdeveloping central Brixton, but to me the mock-up seems inoffensive in design terms.
  21. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

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  22. editor

    editor hiraethified

    What team? The article makes no mention of the architect, let alone his colour. It's an unforgivable slur.
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  23. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

    How on earth is the article rasist? Or any objections to the development rasist?
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  24. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I'm talking about Devvon the poster's emotional reaction.
    I was trying to say that he seems to feel that David Adjaye's firm working on a development in Brixton is a positive thing.
    He, Devvon, is perhaps fed up with black people being only Brixton Topcats, boxers, rappers etc, and welcomes a black-led architects doing the work.
    I imagine he, Devvon, complained about institutional racism because he perceived a wall of negativity about the scheme in the article.
    He didn't realise that whoever the architect was would have met the same response.
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  25. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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  26. organicpanda

    organicpanda cat herder extraodinaire

    I went on Saturday and talked to the architect there, when questioned about the height of the buildings he replied that it hadn't been decided as they were still in consultation with the council (who look like they'll be dusting off their masterplan to go with this development) reading between the lines they will go as high as they are allowed. Asked about flats (cutting edge apartments) confirmed that there were no plans for any, we'll see. He did play the bame card when I asked about how this was going to encourage locals to feel part of the way developments like this continue to change the character and accessibility of Brixton. didn't talk to any Hondo people as I'd had enough p.r. speak by then
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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I went on Saturday but it closed at 2pm. So missed it.

    I would have been thought they could have done all day on Saturday.

    Also not tucked away upstairs.
  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I took part in the early Brixton Masterplan consultations. Encouraged to do so in order to make sure development of Brixton worked for all.

    Looking at how developers are using the Masterplan makes me wish I hadn't taken part in it.

    Its now being used by developers to support there schemes.

    It looks to me that the main players in Brixton now are Squires, Hondo, Network rail and Lexadon.

    The Council is relegated to an impotent bystander.

    This isn't democracy. Its , at local level, the replacement of democracy by small group of powerful business. Who will develop Brixton as they see fit.

    Its like a return to the nineteenth century when people depended on good will philanthropy of the rich.

    And now there will be insinuations that those who are critical are prejudiced. Even if they don't see it themselves.
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  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Here is what Sir architect says. From the consultation boards

    Adjaye Associates believes that architecture presents
    opportunities for transformation – materially, conceptually
    and sociologically.
    Driven by the desire to enrich and improve daily life, the
    practice’s buildings are designed to meet the diverse needs of
    the communities they serve.
    Adjaye’s vision is one that promotes multiple interpretations
    of the civic experience. The approach to urban development
    is driven by the human-scaled complexities of urban living in
    parallel with the driving forces of topography, geography and
    The celebration of difference that lies at the heart of the
    practice’s architecture feeds into all its projects – whether
    school and university campuses, re-developed urban quarters
    or entirely new cities."

    In his own words:

    "This project fits into a
    narrative that is incredibly
    important to me, making
    civic and social spaces that
    are about bringing in diverse
    constituents both locally and
    from the city and its visitors.
    A socially constructed
    architecture that can edify
    the community. When
    taking on this project, I could
    see the incredible
    opportunity it had to elevate
    the experience and give
    back to the community.”
    - Sir David Adjaye, OBE, on Pope’s Road

    So this isn't a case of the architect as just hired hand.

    So I can see criticism of this could be seen to be verging on being racist. That is a possible line that could be taken. I don't agree with it. But its looking like that could happen.
  30. editor

    editor hiraethified

    The colour of the company boss is absolutely irrelevant: bad design is bad design and to try and label anyone who finds fault with it as being 'racist' is ridiculous and divisive, and it's an argument I'm not going to tolerate.
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