Homosexuality

[Roadkill]

Oh ho ho ho.

And you're the first person to make that remark, too.

No really, you are.

You know what they say about the old ones...

Apologies, it's fornication unless, as you say, one (or more) of the participants is married.

Either way, it's not something we should be encouraging.

So, what should we do about it then?

 

[untethered]

So, what should we do about it then?

The first step is to realise that it's a problem and have the kinds of conversations whereby such behaviour becomes socially undesirable and unacceptable.

Beyond that, some form of regulation/enforcement may be necessary for the wayward minority.

 

[Roadkill]

The first step is to realise that it's a problem and have the kinds of conversations whereby such behaviour becomes socially undesirable and unacceptable.

Beyond that, some form of regulation/enforcement may be necessary for the wayward minority.

Let me get this quite clear. You want society in general - presumably taking a lead from government - to start making life uncomfortable for a substantial minority, because the fact they happen to be attracted to their own sex doesn't fit in with some utterly arbitrary moral code. And if this doesn't succeed in driving us back into the closet, you want the 1967 Sexual Offences Act repealed. Is that about the size of it?

 

[untethered]

Let me get this quite clear. You want society in general - presumably taking a lead from government - to start making life uncomfortable for a substantial minority, because the fact they happen to be attracted to their own sex doesn't fit in with some utterly arbitrary moral code. And if this doesn't succeed in driving us back into the closet, you want the 1967 Sexual Offences Act repealed. Is that about the size of it?

I think we need to have a serious debate about what values, if any, pertain in our society. I suspect that the compromises of "tolerance" are ultimately unsustainable and will lead to deeper social fragmentation.

This really needs to happen from the bottom up, with people telling the government what to do, not vice versa.

 

[Roadkill]

I think we need to have a serious debate about what values, if any, pertain in our society. I suspect that the compromises of "tolerance" are ultimately unsustainable and will lead to deeper social fragmentation.

This really needs to happen from the bottom up, with people telling the government what to do, not vice versa.

Okay then, let's start having that debate now. What would you tell the government to do?

 

[Socket]

This really needs to happen from the bottom up,

Fnar fnar.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 

[Roadkill]

Fnar fnar.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Oh bugger, I missed that.

 

[untethered]

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

You're not sorry and you can help yourself.

That, in a nutshell, is precisely my point.

 

[untethered]

Okay then, let's start having that debate now. What would you tell the government to do?

I'm sure you'd agree that now is not the time to try to roll back several decades of liberal legislation in this area.

The debate has to come first.

 

[Roadkill]

I'm sure you'd agree that now is not the time to try to roll back several decades of liberal legislation in this area.

The debate has to come first.

Well, how would you start the debate then?

 

[toggle]

I'm sure you'd agree that now is not the time to try to roll back several decades of liberal legislation in this area.

The debate has to come first.

and you're assuming that you will 'win' this debate?

 

[untethered]

Well, how would you start the debate then?

I thought I had done so already, by advocating a return to traditional (Judeo-Christian) sexual morality.

I suspect that in a hundred years, the current "liberal" age will be seen as an erroneous and somewhat shameful blip.

 

[untethered]

and you're assuming that you will 'win' this debate?

I assume nothing other than to refrain from the fight is to concede the field to the enemy.

 

[Roadkill]

I thought I had done so already, by advocating a return to traditional (Judeo-Christian) sexual morality.

That is so vague as to be meaningless. I'm asking you for specific measures you would propose - as a starting point for debate, if you wish - to bring this about. In particular, since you clearly believe society should disapprove of gay people, I want to know how you want this to manifest itself and how you're going to make it happen. I'd also like to know what you think this will achieve, and what legislation you would consider enacting or repealing if necessary.

I suspect that in a hundred years, the current "liberal" age will be seen as an erroneous and somewhat shameful blip.

Actually, with reference to homosexuality, it's Judeo-Christian 'morality' that looks like a narrow-minded and spiteful anomaly when seen in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Socket]

I thought I had done so already, by advocating a return to traditional (Judeo-Christian) sexual morality.

I suspect that in a hundred years, the current "liberal" age will be seen as an erroneous and somewhat shameful blip.

Judeo-christian morality? Congrats, you just lost. Anyway, it's too big a can of worms for a sunny day with an imminent pub crawl (with gay people! Gay people drinking beer! Together! With, believe it or not, their clothes on! Shocking isn't it?)

 

[aylee]

It's adultery, whether they're in a "civil partnership" or not.

Actually, no, on the assumption that neither of them is married, it's fornication. If you're going to start trying to impress on us that "Judeo-Christian Morality" is a good thing, you'd better start familiarising yourself with the distinction between adultery and fornication, which is for some reason regarded as an extremely important one in the Bible.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

What's the relationship between a homosexual person and homosexual acts?

One of identification or attribution. The person is identified, or attributed, or associated, with the acts. This is a common way of thinking in hierarchical societies that value specialisation. A singer is one who sings or has sung. Correspondingly, a woofter is one who woofts or has woofted.

All associations between people and actions have a value, individually and collectively ascribed by those who associate. Generally, this particular association is negative, which makes it very pervasive. Performing one single homosexual act strongly identifies you as "a homosexual". However, performing one single heterosexual act (a positive and commonplace activity) in the middle of a lifetime torrent of man-on-man frottage does not have such highly penetrating value in the collective web of associations and therefore does not automatically stain with you with heterosexuality right down to the chromosomes. Heterosexuality always drips onto wipe-free rubber sheets. But homosexuality is a like a skidmark on silk sheets: long after it's been washed out, you still worry you can smell it. We can thank two distinct groups of people for this: pixie-bothering interference-monkeys, and stupid robotic geniuses in white coats wielding scalpels. Poofs have long been spitroasted by the twinned raping cocks of vicars and doctors.

Can a person be a homosexual and not perform homosexual acts?

Depends, but the pat answer is yes. You can identify or associate yourself, or be identified or associated by other people, with those acts, or the desire to perform those acts, or even the innate, astrological tendency towards those acts, without actually having done them, quite possibly due to lack of effort. Just wanting to do them, or looking like you might do them given the opportunity, qualifies you.

You can't be a fireman unless you actually put out fires. Idly speculating that you might rescue a cat from a tree one day doesn't quite cut it for me, although historically one takes what one can get.

Can a person perform homosexual acts and yet not be a homosexual?

If a poof fucks in the woods, does he listen to Kylie?

 

[derf]

What's the relationship between a homosexual person and homosexual acts? Can a person be a homosexual and not perform homosexual acts? Can a person perform homosexual acts and yet not be a homosexual?

I have no clue but I suppose so. Still, who gives a fuck?

You missed out can homosexuals do hetrosexual acts.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Cliff Richard.

 

[fractionMan]

That is so vague as to be meaningless. I'm asking you for specific measures you would propose - as a starting point for debate, if you wish - to bring this about. In particular, since you clearly believe society should disapprove of gay people, I want to know how you want this to manifest itself and how you're going to make it happen. I'd also like to know what you think this will achieve, and what legislation you would consider enacting or repealing if necessary.



Actually, with reference to homosexuality, it's Judeo-Christian 'morality' that looks like a narrow-minded and spiteful anomaly when seen in the grand scheme of things.

Untethered always avoids this question, mainly cos his response would probably have him banned for being the homophobic fuckwit that he is.

 

[Roadkill]

Untethered always avoids this question, mainly cos his response would probably have him banned for being the homophobic fuckwit that he is.

I finally pinned him down on it on a thread in the London forum. Sex outside marriage is fornication which is immoral and should be prohibited by law - and since gay people cannot marry, gay sex must therefore be included in that.

 

[fractionMan]

I finally pinned him down on it on a thread in the London forum. Sex outside marriage is fornication which is immoral and should be prohibited by law - and since gay people cannot marry, gay sex must therefore be included in that.

I wonder what sentences he'd like to see handed out? Incarceration or death?

 

[toggle]

gawd knows.

I've never understood how anyone can take that much interest in the sex lives of other people. i've always thought it's a poor substitute for a good shag

 

[toggle]

I finally pinned him down on it on a thread in the London forum. Sex outside marriage is fornication which is immoral and should be prohibited by law - and since gay people cannot marry, gay sex must therefore be included in that.

so gay sex is now not immoral in california......

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So at what point does someone go from being someone who does homosexual things to someone who is a homosexual?

at the point they say so