Homeschooling Pros & Cons
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kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
What's the point of arguing? Over all the similar threads we've argued, you basically want a system that gives the same level of support as somewhere like Sweden but without the quid pro quo of a greater state role in kids life, and it ain't gonna happen that way - the reason the Swedish and Finnish education systems (for example) are so good is precisely because they are able to reach so far into people's lives, especially childrens, with concepts like the single child record.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I dont recall every argiung with you over any aspect of the swedish education system
Im not in favour of the state having control over anyones lives- in fact I think the UK government probably already tries to exercise a far greater control over most individuals lives than exists in scandinavian countries- only strictly on the governments terms at all times
IM in favour of the state butting out of individuals decis9ons- unless its asked to. for instance in education of children. If you dont put your children into a state school they shouldnt be allowed to interfere
Im not in favour of the state having control over anyones lives- in fact I think the UK government probably already tries to exercise a far greater control over most individuals lives than exists in scandinavian countries- only strictly on the governments terms at all times
IM in favour of the state butting out of individuals decis9ons- unless its asked to. for instance in education of children. If you dont put your children into a state school they shouldnt be allowed to interfere
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Was talking to _angel_
zenie
>^^<
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
I thought it was just me...
_angel_
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IM sure I couldI just dont need to, so wont.
I managed very well with all the maths I do know, in fact I believe much of the mathematical content taught to children in schools as part of the GCSE syllabus is completely irrelevant to most of them in later life
It is, but it has to be in there as an introduction to A level!
_angel_
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I think their success rate depends more on the way they teach their kids, rather than the fact that they ban home edding...
How many people actually do home ed in this country? Are they in the main responsible for worse results than our schools?
I haven't argued about a Swedish education system anywhere anyhow... are you confusing me with someone else.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Don't build strawmen about home edding - I said nothing of the sort.
I was referring to wider debates we've had about ed&welfare issues...don't bother about it...
I was referring to wider debates we've had about ed&welfare issues...don't bother about it...
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
IF they sit a maths A level yes...or something related such as physics
If they dont then its really not important for them to know how to perform complicated algebra for instance...
This is where the argument about home education that Gmarthews and Kyser -soze are trying to present falls flat.
Home educated children are only required to study to their age, ability and aptitude and any special needs they may have.
If they arent apt at maths, arguing that you are forclosing careers to them is a nonsense. You are no more limited by your home education in terms of careers than you would be at school. If you dont like maths and arent good at it ( and many people arent mathematically minded- particularly if talented at english or artistic subjects) then you are just as unlikely to pursue a career in engineering if you are schooled for the whole of your education.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
people on this thread have false sweedish arguament memory syndrome
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
1. I made no mention of A-level maths, so once again, it's the strawman!
2. My argument was that by inculating an attitude toward math that was negative, not about her ability level. The arguments being presented on the thread were that homeschooling frees a child to learn what they want, whereas this, and the examples I posted, show that it's can be as much about what the parents want as what is good for the child.
3. More to the point, her lack of ability at maths had nothing to do with her potential aptitude for it - it was all down to her parents
I don't think I can be any clearer than this...
2. My argument was that by inculating an attitude toward math that was negative, not about her ability level. The arguments being presented on the thread were that homeschooling frees a child to learn what they want, whereas this, and the examples I posted, show that it's can be as much about what the parents want as what is good for the child.
3. More to the point, her lack of ability at maths had nothing to do with her potential aptitude for it - it was all down to her parents
I don't think I can be any clearer than this...
_angel_
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I enjoyed "useless" alegebra actually
Not that I can remember owt. It's all there for a reason. I agree that numeracy and maths GCSE aren't the same thing, but I wouldn't try cutting out even more on the syllabus.Maths GCSE is required for a lot of jobs -- not all, thankfully. However just because someone isn't that good at it at 17 doesn't mean to say they can't get better and later pass it.
Two of my friends did so in their thirties!
It's all a bit silly, tho, I have got maths GCSE but would fail it totally if I had to sit it tomorrow...
zenie
>^^<
Kyser are you having an off day? No-one's saying you did say that!!
Yes there will be bad home edders, there's always gonna be parents who don't teach their kids the right things, or install a bad attitude in them about something, but that's not limited to home edding, that's just parenthood!
Yes there will be bad home edders, there's always gonna be parents who don't teach their kids the right things, or install a bad attitude in them about something, but that's not limited to home edding, that's just parenthood!
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
1..You didnt- _angel_ did!
2..children learn negative attitudes about maths in school...
take this thread for instance http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=252644&highlight=Maths
its pretty common to believe you are bad and maths and even acceptable to admit so.. surely not all people who believe they are bad at maths are home educated?
Therefore its a nonsense to suggest that its down to home education which makes her believe shes bad at maths or her parents. Its human nature to struggle at some things and not abnormal it seems for her to be also admitting she believes she cant do it.
3.. if people who are SCHOOLED can admit that they dont have an apititude for maths why isnt it their parents fault when they admit it?
Now for the love of god, please, read the thread, sober up, calm down.. whatever you have to do....
_angel_
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No, LMHF was responding to something I wrote about why a lot of GCSE Maths is "useless".
Yes -- there are some parents who are shit and home ed...?? Your point??
Sadly parents downers on education (or obsession in certain areas) can still negatively affect a child in school as well....
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
no. i just know what it's all about.
i've never met anyone who was 'educated at home' but i'm sure i wouldnt like them if i did. i've met a few folk who went to Rudolf Steiner schools and they've been bad enough.
school is a brilliant laugh. i had a top time; no money worries and always plenty to spend from flogging all the books and microphones and stuff you could nick, drugs a plenty and often shagging a good two or three girls in the same day.
a life that despite my efforts to maintain it i imagine one could only live today if you joined the diplomatic service.
to deprive a kid of five years of that seems to me an utter disgrace.
I reckon any parent into the idea of 'home-schooling' is a Josef Fitzl in the making.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
You enjoyed school, many many people do not.
So for those people you wouldnt be 'depriving' them of anything other than bullying, the constant peer pressure, pecking order and an unruly, uncomtrolled environment in which they dont thrive.
Most home educated children are home educated because they want to be, not because they have to be and the underlying philosophy of many home educating parents is autonomy which means the child gets to learn in the way which suits them best- if that means the child then says "I want to go to school" then that means they go.. its their choice.
To say "I havent met any but im sure I wouldnt like them" shows just how ridiculous your arguments are and that no, you dont know the first thing about it, youve just grasped a few ill thought out prejudices and stereotypes and applied them before proudly pronouncing you know how it is...
Thanks for displaying your complete ignorance so ably for us all. You really do look silly and especially oiffensive and troll like with your Joseph Fritzl comments
So for those people you wouldnt be 'depriving' them of anything other than bullying, the constant peer pressure, pecking order and an unruly, uncomtrolled environment in which they dont thrive.
Most home educated children are home educated because they want to be, not because they have to be and the underlying philosophy of many home educating parents is autonomy which means the child gets to learn in the way which suits them best- if that means the child then says "I want to go to school" then that means they go.. its their choice.
To say "I havent met any but im sure I wouldnt like them" shows just how ridiculous your arguments are and that no, you dont know the first thing about it, youve just grasped a few ill thought out prejudices and stereotypes and applied them before proudly pronouncing you know how it is...
Thanks for displaying your complete ignorance so ably for us all. You really do look silly and especially oiffensive and troll like with your Joseph Fritzl comments
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
haha, I'M the one who looks silly? Most home educated children are home educated because they want to be ???
what utter fanny batter. All kids say "I don't want to go to school" however most learn , at the age of around four, that just as they can't go and join a circus or live on the moon eating cheeese sticks dipped in nutella all day this isn't going to fucking happen. Anyone who teaches their kid at home is just being selfish, a control freak and imposing their own deluded agenda on a poor unfortunate child who will grow up an unsocialised freak incapable of relating to social environments and adversities.
So for those people you wouldnt be 'depriving' them of anything other than bullying, the constant peer pressure, pecking order and an unruly, uncomtrolled environment in which they dont thrive.
unlike the 'controlled environment' of Fitzl's cellar, of course?
You almost had me going there, you cheeky scampster.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
All the home schooled I've met have the overriding personality trait of expecting to get what they want, and most have had a markedly selfish streak...
zenie
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That's not limited to home edding though kyser!
Are there support groups around for home schoolers? Or ways to interact with other home schoolers?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OK, everyone keeps saying 'That's not limited to home schooling...'...well, this thread is about home schooling and it's benefits, not everything else and how the rest of the world spews up the same results. My point is that far from being so far and away from traditional schooling, are the results really any different?
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Loads Most cities have several groups a week you can choose from as well as other actvities such as trips and workshops kids can attend.
If you were home educating in a rural area your groups choices would be a little more limited and would involve a bit of travelling but some children dont enjoy spending lots of time at groups, others love it.
Most cities have several groups a week you can choose from as well as other actvities such as trips and workshops kids can attend.If you were home educating in a rural area your groups choices would be a little more limited and would involve a bit of travelling but some children dont enjoy spending lots of time at groups, others love it.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
BUt you cannot raise criticisms of people and lay the blame at the foot of their education being at home without pointing out that the rest of the people who attend schools can and do behave in EXACTLY the same way.
Your anti maths analogy for instance...
IM sure the results arent neccessarily that different for some children, for others they wouldnt get the education they get at home at school- which is why theyve been removed and educated at home. usually because they cannot cope in school for whatever reason ( as Angel pointed out its often due to the LEA's refusal to meet a childs special educational needs) or because they are gifted and the school refuses to differentiate work for them ( although these children often win scholarships to independent schools which will make provisions for the very able)
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The funniest thing is until this thread it was something I'd consider, but it looks like it's an approach stuffed to the gills with the ardently self-righteous.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
heh, that's hardly surprising!!
"baw baaw baaaaaw...mummy! MUMMY! I DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL!!"
"OK buttercup, what mummy's little darling wants...mummy's little darling gets"
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
so, if your kid didn't want to 'spend lots of time in groups' and preferred to spend its time sitting in the bath full of its own filth chopping up earth-worms with a scalpel blade , s'pose that'd be fine with you too?
_angel_
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haha, I'M the one who looks silly? Most home educated children are home educated because they want to be ???
what utter fanny batter. All kids say "I don't want to go to school" however most learn , at the age of around four, that just as they can't go and join a circus or live on the moon eating cheeese sticks dipped in nutella all day this isn't going to fucking happen. Anyone who teaches their kid at home is just being selfish, a control freak and imposing their own deluded agenda on a poor unfortunate child who will grow up an unsocialised freak incapable of relating to social environments and adversities.
So for those people you wouldnt be 'depriving' them of anything other than bullying, the constant peer pressure, pecking order and an unruly, uncomtrolled environment in which they dont thrive.
unlike the 'controlled environment' of Fitzl's cellar, of course?
What about the parents forced to do this because no school will take their kids? Special needs are not catered for properly and for a lot of kids it's being forced into a mainstream environment without the appropriate help.
I thought nowhere was going to accept my special needs son when he started last year! I must have seen about ten schools and it was only at the absolute last minute something became available.
Stories like this one of special needs kids escaping from mainstream schools don't help. If it were your kid you thought not only wasn't receiving an education, but actually placed in physical danger, would it be so 'stupid' to home school them in the absence of anything else?
