Homeless rehoused for Christmas.

Discussion in 'benefits and housing' started by Tooter, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Tooter

    Tooter Well-Known Member

    Just wondered what people's thoughts on this are?

    Wrexham's homeless to be housed in shipping containers ready in time for Christmas

    No doubt a good thing to get the homeless into safe warm places where they can get access to healthcare, I believe several similar projects have been deemed a success.

    2018 and countless 100's of millions about to be spent on 'sovereign' satellite-navigation systems, £120 million Brexit festival, £48 million chemical weapons defence centre.

    Surely we should expect more than this as a solution? What are the government playing at?

    I also note these are provided by a private Italian company and would be interested to know how much they are being sold for.....
     
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  2. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    It's a shit idea.
    The containers can be very snug and comfortable I am sure, but the article says they are temporary. Nor does it mention if each container is for a single person or more than one person.
    There have been things about people converting containers into homes, so that side can work.
    These containers will be little better than the accommodation offered by Crisis over Christmas, albeit they may be for a little longer, how much longer is not stated.
    I can remember working at Crisis and recall volunteers being asked if they can volunteer for longer as they planned to keep the accommodation for longer than planned as the weather was so bad.
    I can also remember another time when the people were being turned out after the last night and I had just finished the night shift. The weather was so cold and icy when I got out I could not stand up.

    This is a temporary, short term solution because authorities/governemnt investing in social housing, have sold off much off the social housing and property "investors" are pricing people out of the market.
    In my neck of the woods (South London) much social housing and housing association property (including Peabody) has been sold off, never to be replaced . All new developments are supposed to have a
    percentage of affordable housing. Generally they don't and if they do, affordable to who? certainly not your average first time buyer.
    Developers tend to generally give money for affordable housing to be built well away from their development for fear it might attract the wrong sort of person and deter the people and investors who can afford
    it.

    You are right, people deserve more and better, a total disgrace!

    rant over. x
     
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  3. dessiato

    dessiato Mele Kalikimaka hauʻoli hou makahiki

    You are so right. If it can be done for a few days at Xmas, why not for longer?
     
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  4. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    Money, will, government.................
     
  5. Argonia

    Argonia Happy go licky

    This country needs an epic house building crusade.
     
  6. Edie

    Edie Well-Known Member

    My boy (13) was asking why there weren’t just more houses built if there weren’t enough. I said I didn’t know why more weren’t being built by private companies. Can anyone answer?
     
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  7. Wolveryeti

    Wolveryeti Young Lethargio

    Because of green belt, protected views and conservation areas that stop housing of the appropriate density bwing built for areas where there is demand.

    Compounded by planning permission being such an arse (NIMBYs) that only big housebuilders can afford the teams to engage with it properly. And perversely, when the trend is for demand to outstrip supply (i.e. prices are rising) it makes more sense for big firms to drag their feet bringing homes to market, because annual house price rises have reliably been earning more than money in the bank. Delay = more profit.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2018
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  8. dessiato

    dessiato Mele Kalikimaka hauʻoli hou makahiki

    If it's possible to convert containers into small, studio type housing surely it would be possible do more. I'm sure two joined together could work. I'm sure that insulation issues could be addressed. And why not redevelop brown field sites for this purpose?

    I suppose it comes down to political will, and insufficient profit.
     
  9. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    A sad issue which is highlighted at this time of the year.
    surprised it hasn't been moved to the Christmas forums :confused::(
     
  10. lizzieloo

    lizzieloo Numpty extraordinaire

    It's not just greenbelt protection that stops housing being built, there is still a big problem with land grab.

    In Milton Keynes there are large areas of land that are just wasteland, right in the centre, these could (and should) be used for new housing developments but they get bought up by investers and stay as they are.

    Screenshot_20181209-133959.png

    You can see the size of the parcel of land by comparing it to the housing estate next to it.

    This doesn't just happen here, huge swathes of land and many smaller plots in cities, derelict buildings etc, in the UK are owned by investors who just sit on it.

    It's fucking criminal.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2018 at 1:45 PM
  11. lizzieloo

    lizzieloo Numpty extraordinaire

    For example, I was just clicking through some of the areas shown in this map, none of the companies I just saw are registered in the UK. I saw British Virgin Islands, Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man. All tax havens, there was a Cyprus, without looking I'm not sure if that's somewhere rich cunts squirrel away their millions.

    Screenshot_20181209-135514.png

    This map just has readily available info, I'm sure the harder to get information shows way worse

    I know that a huge area of farmland around the village I live in is owned by a developer (investor by another name?) who leases the land back to the farmer that sold it.

    Who owns England?
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2018 at 2:03 PM
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  12. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    205,000 homes in the uk have been empty for more than 6 months, plus loads of empty commercial buildings, too.
     
  13. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Having too much property available reduces prices. It isn’t in the financial interests of property companies, landlords, MPs etc to have enough houses for everyone to live at an affordable rate.
     
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  14. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    Supermarkets have been landbanking, in part to prevent a rival opening there and in part as an appreciating asset.
     

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