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Wouldn't say you're necessarily racist or using hate speech but you seem to have a very very confused idea of British history from 1945 to the UK present. British people going abroad = good, foreign people coming here = bad. British power, which has been in decline since fucking 1890 if not before, has declined significantly since 1945 in both ability to mobilise men and money to project power and in terms of diplomacy, as witness the lack of brexit negotiators. But Britain has been a willing partner to EU immigration, measures could have been taken in 2004 to restrict eastern European immigrants, which is who you're really talking about, not the Maltese or Irish or Dutch.

You should have some pride in your country.
You seem to know so much about what's wrong, yet do so little to make things right.
 
For me there's enormous feeling of being stitched up. The EU politicians arranged things so vast numbers of migrants could come to the UK. I choose to love and respect all people but my anxiety is about Britain's power been taken away. And it doesn't help reports like this, where there is a politically correct morality police which condemns anyone criticising migration as being guilty of a hate crime.

I feel there's always an agenda to try and keep the lid on things, to airbrush over problems for fear talking about issues will make people racist, or anyone raising a topic will they themselves be condemned of racism. Fundamentally although I am middle-class I have a heart for the working class person and EU immigration has made things harder for them. Fundamentally, I think everything is being done to Britain without our consent and we always expected to shoehorn our feelings into what is being done to us. And if we object we are condemned as racist or using hate speech.

If you read something like Martin Ford, you'll realise that the problem for the working class is the use of automation to remove dependable jobs.

Immigration is a comedy scapegoat used to distract people from this.
 
If you read something like Martin Ford, you'll realise that the problem for the working class is the use of automation to remove dependable jobs.

Immigration is a comedy scapegoat used to distract people from this.

no one 'deserves' a wage. wages are earned.
Most people don't care about folks who beg without seeing evidence of trying first.
 
Besides. Why wouldn't you have some sense of pride in either:

1. your country as an entity, or
2. The citizens of your country as humans

Probably because a country isn't an entity. Bit daft having pride in something that can't and doesn't exist. Perhaps you mean they should have pride in their nation-state as an entity, but even then, what about that state would promote pride: History; politics; the Royal Family?
 
Besides. Why wouldn't you have some sense of pride in either:

1. your country as an entity, or
2. The citizens of your country as humans
I don't see why I should be proud of things like that. They exist. They aren't proud of me, and similarly I'm not proud of them.
 
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no one 'deserves' a wage. wages are earned.
Most people don't care about folks who beg without seeing evidence of trying first.
Isn't begging enough evidence of trying? Have you ever tried begging? It's fucking harder than you think, soul destroying, humiliating, it's not all like in the sherlock holmes story, the man with the twisted lip, where yer man gets more begging than working in the city. Catch yourself on.
 
Isn't begging enough evidence of trying? Have you ever tried begging? It's fucking harder than you think, soul destroying, humiliating, it's not all like in the sherlock holmes story, the man with the twisted lip, where yer man gets more begging than working in the city. Catch yourself on.
No, I haven't "tried" begging.
I've spent my life working.
 
Nothing.

Mentioning the fact that you do work for a living several times in the last month though, that's a bit ropey. Comes across like you're implying that you're somehow better than people who don't or can't work.

Nothing against those who can't work.

Those who choose not to -- yeah, I feel better than them
 
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