Home Sec Amber Rudd speech on foreign workers recorded as hate incident

[brogdale]

Why not give an example of both scenarios if you have them/ideas?

Without EU FMOL, many Brexiteers believe that controlled/points-based/seasonal-permit migration would reduce in-migration and (presumably) make it increasingly difficult for employers to hire migrant-only labour.

With continuing FMOL, the options would appears to be either Parliamentary (interventionist/legislative options to suppress exploitation) or extra-parliamentary (seeking to unionise the workforce).

 

[redsquirrel]

Perhaps that's because they're more interested in furthering human knowledge through global co-operation than trying to find ways to undercut their neighbours and pay workers less?

Or perhaps they (as a group) are as influenced by the material conditions they experience as everybody else.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Or perhaps they (as a group) are as influenced by the material conditions they experience as everybody else.

Materialism. Yay! Go simplistic Marxism!

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes materialism, the horror! Sadly I've not reached a level of academia where I have freed myself of the influence of the material environment.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Yes materialism, the horror!

Go Comrade, sorry go Conrad!

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Yes materialism, the horror! Sadly I've not reached a level of academia where I have freed myself of the influence of the material environment.

Edit noted.

 

[The39thStep]

He didn't 'think it was worth reporting', he took the opportunity presented by a recent change in legislation to make a political point.

And apparantly didn't hear the speech

 

[killer b]

And apparantly didn't hear the speech

then everyone shared this article without reading it. And off we go.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It just reflects that someone reported it as a hate crime, nothing else.

It reflects how fucking absurd our laws have become.

 

[Pickman's model]

It reflects how fucking absurd our laws have become.

it reflects how shitty our politicians have become

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yep I agree. On the radio the other day Nadine Dorres, in a discussion on the NHS, claimed once Brexit happens its problems would be alleviated by less pressure from all these migrants. Blame game 24/7 from her and her ilk.

Are you suggesting that the reduction in population, engendered by all EU nationals returning to their home countries, would have no effect on local services such as schools and hospitals?

 

[Sasaferrato]

it reflects how shitty our politicians have become

Indeed. They passed the absurd legislation.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you suggesting that the reduction in population, engendered by all EU nationals returning to their home countries, would have no effect on local services such as schools and hospitals?

scotland would be fucked as the irish, welsh and english return to their ancestral domains.

 

[andysays]

it reflects how shitty our politicians have become

The problem I have with this is that it suggests there's something new about politicians in general (and Home Secretaries in particular) being shitty. It's been the case for as long as I can remember.

If anyone is suggesting that Rudd has somehow plumbed previously unreached depths since she became Home Sec, in comparison to all the previous Home Secs we remember so fondly, I remain unconvinced

 

[Pickman's model]

The problem I have with this is that it suggests there's something new about politicians in general (and Home Secretaries in particular) being shitty. It's been the case for as long as I can remember.

If anyone is suggesting that Rudd has somehow plumbed previously unreached depths since she became Home Sec, in comparison to all the previous Home Secs we remember so fondly, I remain unconvinced

all home secretaries are shitty. but we have never had such a shitty set of politicians as we have today. they make the likes of horatio bottomley look positively honest.

 

[SqueakyBumTime]

A crime against roots

 

[Mr Moose]

Are you suggesting that the reduction in population, engendered by all EU nationals returning to their home countries, would have no effect on local services such as schools and hospitals?

Well, firstly who says they are leaving and if they do and we chase trade deals elsewhere then who is to say levels of migration will change?

But as it stands migrants pay tax and on the whole are less elderly. There is no reason to suggest they use the NHS more. No study of NHS tourism has come up with big figures.

It's just the most blatant of blame games to excuse the state of its responsibilities. So that some may remain very rich.

 

[butchersapron]

A crime against roots

Grovelled did you?

 

[danny la rouge]

A crime against roots

A what now?

 

[Pickman's model]

A crime against roots

(((Alex Haley)))

 

[Greebozz]

For me there's enormous feeling of being stitched up. The EU politicians arranged things so vast numbers of migrants could come to the UK. I choose to love and respect all people but my anxiety is about Britain's power been taken away. And it doesn't help reports like this, where there is a politically correct morality police which condemns anyone criticising migration as being guilty of a hate crime.

I feel there's always an agenda to try and keep the lid on things, to airbrush over problems for fear talking about issues will make people racist, or anyone raising a topic will they themselves be condemned of racism. Fundamentally although I am middle-class I have a heart for the working class person and EU immigration has made things harder for them. Fundamentally, I think everything is being done to Britain without our consent and we always expected to shoehorn our feelings into what is being done to us. And if we object we are condemned as racist or using hate speech.

 

[killer b]

has to be said, you're right Greebozz. There's been no discussion whatsoever of immigration in the UK in recent years - the PC lot have swept it all under the carpet.

 

[killer b]

The politicians are too scared to talk about it, the press are completely cowed... it's like living in a police state.

 

[NoXion]

has to be said, you're right Greebozz. There's been no discussion whatsoever of immigration in the UK in recent years - the PC lot have swept it all under the carpet.

The politicians are too scared to talk about it, the press are completely cowed... it's like living in a police state.

Greebozz is either too fucking thick or too much of a shitspreading troll to take your sarcasm for what it is.

 

[Pickman's model]

For me there's enormous feeling of being stitched up. The EU politicians arranged things so vast numbers of migrants could come to the UK. I choose to love and respect all people but my anxiety is about Britain's power been taken away. And it doesn't help reports like this, where there is a politically correct morality police which condemns anyone criticising migration as being guilty of a hate crime.

I feel there's always an agenda to try and keep the lid on things, to airbrush over problems for fear talking about issues will make people racist, or anyone raising a topic will they themselves be condemned of racism. Fundamentally although I am middle-class I have a heart for the working class person and EU immigration has made things harder for them. Fundamentally, I think everything is being done to Britain without our consent and we always expected to shoehorn our feelings into what is being done to us. And if we object we are condemned as racist or using hate speech.

Wouldn't say you're necessarily racist or using hate speech but you seem to have a very very confused idea of British history from 1945 to the UK present. British people going abroad = good, foreign people coming here = bad. British power, which has been in decline since fucking 1890 if not before, has declined significantly since 1945 in both ability to mobilise men and money to project power and in terms of diplomacy, as witness the lack of brexit negotiators. But Britain has been a willing partner to EU immigration, measures could have been taken in 2004 to restrict eastern European immigrants, which is who you're really talking about, not the Maltese or Irish or Dutch.

 

[Pickman's model]

Greebozz is either too fucking thick or too much of a shitspreading troll to take your sarcasm for what it is.

Or both

 

[Sasaferrato]

Well, firstly who says they are leaving and if they do and we chase trade deals elsewhere then who is to say levels of migration will change?

But as it stands migrants pay tax and on the whole are less elderly. There is no reason to suggest they use the NHS more. No study of NHS tourism has come up with big figures.

It's just the most blatant of blame games to excuse the state of its responsibilities. So that some may remain very rich.

I still don't know what you think. It is a 'yes' 'no' question.

Oh BTW, migrants tend to be young, with children. They also get pregnant more often than older people.

 

[Pickman's model]

I still don't know what you think. It is a 'yes' 'no' question.

Oh BTW, migrants tend to be young, with children. They also get pregnant more often than older people.

Yeh there's a reason for that

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yeh there's a reason for that

Yes, they are young. The lucky bastards.

 

[Sasaferrato]

scotland would be fucked as the irish, welsh and english return to their ancestral domains.

Perhaps it would, but all we Scots would be back to our roots in Ireland. The Scots were an Irish tribe that conquered a large area of what became Scotland.