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Holocaust: the facts

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by danny la rouge, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    In fact, may be good to include it somewhere in the OP danny la rouge - think we may be past the post editing time limit though.
     
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  2. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Good call, but I don't have an edit button there any more.

    Is that something a friendly mod can help with? Add butchersapron's stuff from Deborah Lipstadt to the OP? That'd be appreciated.

    editor, FridgeMagnet, Lazy Llama?

    Cheers.
     
  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Could you quote here what needs to be added. Thanks.
     
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  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Thanks editor
     
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  5. Idris2002

    Idris2002 this prim barbarism

    Aye, nice one, thanks editor.
     
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  6. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    Ian Kershaws bios of Hitler and Michael Burleigh's 1994 book on Aktion T4 (though not about the Shoah but about persecution of disabled people) Death and Deliverance are worth adding to the list.
     
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  7. agricola

    agricola atomic materialist

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  8. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    Not the holocaust but certainly one of the things that contributed to it. I recently read a book called The Murder of William of Norwich: the origins of the blood libel in Medieval Europe by EM Rose which goes in to the founding myth of the blood libel allegations and their role in the spread of anti-semitism in medieval European society. it also goes into the role of class in medieval society and to what extent and why these allegations were believed, it has some fairly harrowing details about people who were sentenced to death on the basis of this bollocks and the instrumentalisation of anti-semitism by medieval rulers and unleashing anti-semitic violence as a way of consolidating power and cracking down on dissent. Well worth the read if you want to understand the long history this has in Europe. It also makes the point that sloppy scholarship and writing about the issue has partly contributed to the idea that it could be true, as well as falsely creating the impression that this was just a superstition as opposed to something that was instrumentalised by some very powerful people.
     
  9. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

  10. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces Go on then...try.

    Race.

    What does that mean?
     
  11. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    Race to the fucking bottom by the sounds of you .
     
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  12. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Whatever it means to racists, is the point.
     
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  13. Idris2002

    Idris2002 this prim barbarism

    Everyone else is stupid except for you.

    Keep telling yourself that.
     
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  14. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Depends entirely on whom you ask for a definition.
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Do you really think this piece of banal (rather than your own image of it as socratic) provocation is appropriate for this thread? Given that, if you get what you want, you'll end up trashing a useful resource. I hope the mods remove you as they have removed others from this thread - and this and your posts.
     
  16. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    I know the above poster was asking the question disingenuously, but worth reading on the 'race' question is Adam Hochschild's The Kaiser's Holocaust which is about the genocide of Herero people in German controlled South West Africa during WWI and the role it played in 'scientific' anti-black racism and the development of Nazi racial theory and doctrines of racial superiority (some of the people involved in this genocide went on to take part in WW2 atrocities against Jews).
     
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  17. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

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