What I object to is the use of the word scab as a shorthand way of not thinking about the wider issues. People wouldn't go against Union strike calls if they were happy that the union would support them - however unions don't support members so they shouldn't be surprised when members vote with their feet.
Hmmm! I wonder who will be first to suffer?
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What I object to is the use of the word scab as a shorthand way of not thinking about the wider issues. People wouldn't go against Union strike calls if they were happy that the union would support them - however unions don't support members so they shouldn't be surprised when members vote with their feet.
Its got worse. Now some of the union staff are probably not going to strike in protest at the actions of headquarters.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
urghhh
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Jesus, what a mess. 
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
so, you';ve been a scab cunt for years. What a waste of space.
ffs - poster, do you even defend this bunch of fucking shite?
Why is voluntaryily working for a non union firm scabbing? FFS you can't even use the insult right.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
What I say is that I can see how unions' chasing after some "bigger picture" has often let down people in real need, but who'se cases were not "sexy" enough or would have upset some personal applecart within the workplace had they pursued with the vigour deserved by the member. This, understandably, can leave people very bitter and even put people off the whole idea of unions for life. You've only got to be fucked over by a union ONCE for this to happen.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep.
Remember the "Benefits Integrity Project", where several quadriplegics lost their DLA, where dozens of MS sufferers lost theirs, where people up and down the country had "adjudication officers", medically-untrained personnel, doing home visits and deciding their fates?
I've been fucked over twice once by the NUJ and once by PCS. I think its THEIR job to convice me of their relevance. Because of my experience I'm not going to meekly obey some union panjandrum just because that is what was done in the past.
What bothers me is that the 'bad back' brigade are savvy enough to play the system whilst those in genuine need are not.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
urghhhh
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
If you're a dumb selfish twat, you only need it to happen once. If you think the wholesale sacking of an entire workforce is alright because they're 'lazy' is okay, then you are likely to be just such a selfish fool. KBJ/Zachor clearly never really believed in a union as a union for all, it was just a tool for looking after number one. And what you are doing is providing him with a bit of 'left cover', justifying his every word and action.
_angel_
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
so you try and get people to vote for the shitbags that plan explicitly to screw over both groups - yeeha!
_angel_
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Expert on back pain now?
I feel sorry for anyone with a none-visible medical condition. Under the tories you WILL see genuine claimants punished even more than we are now. I know that's hard to imagine but please try.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It was. IIRC there were several suicides by long-term sick and/or disabled people during the life of the "project" too. The govt binned the BIP when they started getting bad publicity even from the right-wing tabloids.
_angel_
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Well back to the original question, who will be FIRST to suffer. NL's practically first act was to steal some of the pittance from lone parents, and the tories must be aching to stamp all over them after all they haven't had chance for the past eleven years. So I reckon it'll be lone parents.
I'm not an expert on back pain I've just encountered a lot of spongers using this excuse.
Its not the Tories who make things difficult for those with non visible medical conditions its the cheats who allege that they've got these conditions which make things bad for those who GENUINELY have non vis conditions. The problem is its the cheats who poison the system for the genuinely sick.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Here's the rub.
I've got a mate who's a radiographer (head of dept in a teaching hospital) who says of "bad backs":
"...although to be fair it's VERY hard to tell when someone is 'swinging the lead'. Most GPs order a quadrant series of x-rays of the affected area, but that'll only tell us anything IF there's physical wear and tear to bone or cartilage OR if we're lucky enough to be able to visually detect stuff like bone spur growths. Unless you do an MRI you just can't get anything near a full picture of cause, even if the patient is reporting all the symptoms that indicate a particular diagnosis. Our problem is that while GPs will authorise x-rays (less than £50 for a series at our trust), they won't authorise MRIs (anything from £200 up to £1,000). Catch 22"
That's a direct C & P from an e-mail, written by a professional who despairs at the fact that "bad back" isn't taken properly seriously, and that many people don't get referred for MRIs rather than x-rays until damage is so bad it isn't treatable.
Good point maybe if more money was put into actually investigating these cases then maybe genuine back problems will be found adn it will scare away the cheats.
_angel_
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And perhaps more importantly, actually do something to help people in chronic pain.
Agree there.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
if you're not an expert, then how the hell do you know whether they're blagging or not? You don't. You are simply repeating the tried and tested method which is always used to attack all claimants
How about I've met enough people who have sponged using this technique. Good enough? There are other excuses that the bone idle use as well.
The only bullshit I can smell is what is coming from you and people like you. If you cannot see that giving the idle benefits that are denied to those who work and struggle isn't divisive then you are the fool.
I've been there, for a short while I was a fucking low life sponger and I realised that it is not a healthy way of life for anyone. Idleness causes crime, depression, substance abuse, broken families etc etc etc. I'm not criticising 'the other' as I've been there done it and bought the t shirt.
No not at all. What I'm saying is that I've personal experience of being a bludger due to the after effects of a traumatic event in my life. I saw others in my position fleece the system and did claim myself. I saw so many people take the piss out of the benefit system that it has jaundiced me to a certain extent.
If you see people scamming it is more difficult to justify a system that is open to scammers to those who have to pay for it.
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