Hmmm! I wonder who will be first to suffer?

[Zachor]

no, its because you are a tory loving scab cunt. A selfish little scumbag for doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

Oh do fuck off. I'm normally the first to dig my hands into my pocket for good causes. Just because I choose to do it outside the stinking dogma of extreme leftism makes me a 'tory loving scab cunt'. At least I've got a mind of my own and am not hidebound to failed dogma.

 

[_angel_]

I would NEVER punish genuine claimants. Thats wrong. Lazy bastards who choose to sponge and ponce yes they should be attacked and made to work.


That is not the case. There are hundereds of thousands of people who struggle and don't get help from the collective and resent the fact that those who choose to ponce get free this and free that etc etc while they are expected to pay extortionate amounts for what ponces get 'by right' . This is not morally correct. It is not rewarding constructive activity but is rewarding non constructive activity. I'd rather see more help to those who are making an effort and those who are disabled or who are in genuine distress than the legions of bludgers that we seem to be supporting at the moment.



Oh yes I've come across loads of people in my life who've chosen to sponge rather than work.

The genuine people will and are the ones to suffer under any kind of 'crackdown'. Scamsters will just move onto something else to scam.

 

[poster342002]

almost everything you write is a suck up to the bosses - have you forgotten how you were defending the poster formerly known as keyboardtosser when he was justifying his scabbing?

I'm relutcnat to go over this one with you yet again, but if you recall there was -de facto - no strike (in the meaningful sense of the word) in keyboardjockey's workplace to scab against. Just like in vast numbers of other places where a "strike" is only observed by the local union officers whilst the lay membership prances into work as usual I have railed against this phenomenon whilst the cod left usually (and laughably) hails such farragos of non-strikes as being an indication of "a real willingness to fight! A solid response blah blah...

There was NO POINT in singling out keyboardjockey for his role in the matter (and not he only scabbed AFTER the total farce of how his office beahved on 05/11/04 - a striek where he picketed only to watch almost his entire workmates prance by into work) as the wider malaise needs to be recognised and found a solution to - something the cod left still refuses to do.

This is the LAST time I am prepared to explain this to your obstinate, willfully thick self.

 

[Al Kahul]

The genuine people will and are the ones to suffer under any kind of 'crackdown'. Scamsters will just move onto something else to scam.

There is probably some truth in that .

 

[belboid]

This is the LAST time I am prepared to explain this to your obstinate, willfully thick self.

good, fuck off, you scab defending twat. you're as bad as he is

 

[belboid]

Oh do fuck off. I'm normally the first to dig my hands into my pocket for good causes. Just because I choose to do it outside the stinking dogma of extreme leftism makes me a 'tory loving scab cunt'. At least I've got a mind of my own and am not hidebound to failed dogma.

arf arf. You are a proud tory (despite lying and pretending it was 'reluctant' before). You are a prouds scab. Hence, you are a tory scab cunt - quite simple, nay need for dgoma.

But, aah, you give to charidee, just like 'Dave' and his scummy cohorts. You go along with that nice old notion of the deserving poor.

twat, pure and (very, very) simple.

 

[dennisr]

seconds out, round two *ding, ding*

 

[dennisr]

There was NO POINT in singling out keyboardjockey for his role in the matter

KJ singled himself out from what I recal

 

[belboid]

and he fibbed about being the 'only one' who ever went out on strike - a bit like another poster on here

but anyway, fuck these tories - lets get back to moaning about what a twat cameron is

 

[Zachor]

The genuine people will and are the ones to suffer under any kind of 'crackdown'. Scamsters will just move onto something else to scam.

that is what worries me. I'd be quite happy to see scammers in the stocks but the problem is how to you hit the bludgers without affecting the deserving?

Maybe one way would be to devolve the paying and claiming of benefits down to local govt level. National blanket rules make for hard cases.

 

[poster342002]

There's none so blind as those that don't want to see...

 

[Zachor]

arf arf. You are a proud tory (despite lying and pretending it was 'reluctant' before). You are a prouds scab. Hence, you are a tory scab cunt - quite simple, nay need for dgoma.

But, aah, you give to charidee, just like 'Dave' and his scummy cohorts. You go along with that nice old notion of the deserving poor.

twat, pure and (very, very) simple.

Yawn!

I don't see why I should follow union instructions when those instructions are plainly counterproductive not only to myself but also to the collective. Giving to good causes is far far more effective than leaving it to the state in totality.

Thats not to say that the state shouldn't support people but it should support those who require support. Like it or not some people deserve help and some people do not. For example you wouldn't put up with freeloading guest who raided your fridge everynight so why should the collective put up with those who could work but choose not to do so.

 

[Zachor]

There's none so blind as those that don't want to see...

Yup it is so much easier to hide behind dogma rather than engage with reality.

 

[belboid]

even easier to just shout 'dogma' when you're crossing a picket line and shitting on your colleagues tho. what a great pair you two make.

It's almost tempting to say I hope Cameron's first act would be to cut funding for your post - which he might well try and do.

 

[poster342002]

Yup it is so much easier to hide behind dogma rather than engage with reality.

Yup - as Melchett said in Blackadder Goes Forth: "If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through!"

 

[belboid]

aah, dont they look sweet together.

 

[poster342002]

even easier to just shout 'dogma' when you're crossing a picket line and shitting on your colleagues tho.

What - all those colleagues who merrily crossed the picket line he was on the first time (in 2004)? Why have you got no bile for them?

 

[belboid]

they don't post here

 

[Zachor]

they don't post here

Aha! at last we are geting somewhere. So you find it quite acceptable to ignore the reasons why strike calls are ignored by the majority but not to look into the reasons why. Typical.

 

[belboid]

fuck me, you are becoming more and more disingenuous. If you recall, the reasons were discussed in detail at the time, and I -as with many other people - had some sympathy with you. But since then you've become a proud scab cunt, so you get none. Except from (the)poster(who lies by)numbers.

 

[Zachor]

fuck me, you are becoming more and more disingenuous. If you recall, the reasons were discussed in detail at the time, and I -as with many other people - had some sympathy with you. But since then you've become a proud scab cunt, so you get none. Except from (the)poster(who lies by)numbers.

IIRC the reasons given for me not striking were: a) all my colleauges scabbed b) I struck even though I couldn't afford it in the previous strike c) I didn't see why I should lose a days money taking part in a pointless strike that would change absolutely bugger all.

Is that helpful at all.

It would be helpful if you could reply without having to fall back on Victorian era cliches like 'scab' though.

A sensible post will ensure a sensible reply.

 

[poster342002]

fuck me, you are becoming more and more disingenuous. If you recall, the reasons were discussed in detail at the time, and I -as with many other people - had some sympathy with you.

Except all people had to offer were tired old 'solutions' that had been tried and failed umpteen times before and only looked good on paper. In real life they made no difference in workplaces like keyboardjockey's or the many other workplaces similarly beset by entrenched majority-scabbing, endemic crawling and corporate stockholm syndrome. The sort of places remain impervious to any and all attempts at organising.

Ultimately, no-one has any answers other than to screach down anyone who raises the problem. And so the situation goes on ...

 

[Louis MacNeice]

IIRC the reasons given for me not striking were: a) all my colleauges scabbed b) I struck even though I couldn't afford it in the previous strike c) I didn't see why I should lose a days money taking part in a pointless strike that would change absolutely bugger all.

Is that helpful at all.

It would be helpful if you could reply without having to fall back on Victorian era cliches like 'scab' though.

A sensible post will ensure a sensible reply.

Scab isn't just a cliche it is also a description of an activity; one you happen to feel happy indulging in but apparently feel the need for absolution from.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[belboid]

funny watching these two pathetically scrubbing around, trying to justify their shitty behaviour. deep down, even they seem to know that they're being twats.

 

[poster342002]

funny watching these two pathetically scrubbing around, trying to justify their shitty behaviour. deep down, even they seem to know that they're being twats.

Must be projecting about yourself and dennisr ...

 

[Zachor]

Scab isn't just a cliche it is also a description of an activity; one you happen to feel happy indulging in but apparently feel the need for absolution from.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I don't feel the need for 'absolution' for failing to go along with a cockheaded strike call that is totally ignored by my colleauges.

Maybe my experience with unions has been less than positive which naturally will make me less positive about them.

When I was skint and desparately needed help from the NUJ to get paid they were more concerned with giving £500 (which was equivilant to the amount I was owed) to the lazy obstructive fuckers of the Wapping Fighting Fund.

 

[belboid]

the lazy obstructive fuckers of the Wapping Fighting Fund.

you fucking cunt. Shame none of them brained you,

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I don't feel the need for 'absolution' for failing to go along with a cockheaded strike call that is totally ignored by my colleauges.

Then have the courage of your convictions and stop bleating on about it when you are quite rightly described as a scab.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Zachor]

you fucking cunt. Shame none of them brained you,

I got my own back. I was so disgusted by the behaviour of the union that I was funding with MY subs that I tore up my union card and worked for places that didn't require one.

 

[poster342002]

Then have the courage of your convictions and stop bleating on about it when you are quite rightly described as a scab.

He could only be described as a scab if there was a real (as opposed to notional) strike taking place in his workplace. A strike where just about everyone apart from the union reps comes prancing into work regardless cannot be described as being a strike in any meaningful sense of the word.