Hipster Charity called Crack & Cider: what does Urban think?

[oryx]

While well-meant, it's just another example of charity as a sticking-plaster solution (and I'm aware they mention this in the article).

When I was much younger (around the time of my A levels in the very late 70s and studenthood in the early 80s) it was quite a normal viewpoint to challenge charity and the concepts behind it. Now charity, rather than properly organised and funded local or state help, is increasingly seen as the norm.

So while within the current perception of charity, I wouldn't want to condemn these two well-meaning women as cunts or whatever, I would really like to see more challenges to the role of charity generally.

 

[Orang Utan]

i wouldn't be so sure about them being well-meaning

 

[butchersapron]

Hiding in plain sight. Part of the thrill. We're better than everyone and they don't even know it.

 

[oryx]

i wouldn't be so sure about them being well-meaning

I would say they are - but I would also say that a lot of people setting up a charity these days have a certain amount of egomania/look at me, I'm so giving etc., cf Batmangelidgh.

 

[butchersapron]

I would say they are - but I would also say that a lot of people setting up a charity these days have a certain amount of egomania/look at me, I'm so giving etc., cf Batmangelidgh.

How far in the thread have you got?

 

[Orang Utan]

I would say they are - but I would also say that a lot of people setting up a charity these days have a certain amount of egomania/look at me, I'm so giving etc., cf Batmangelidgh.

those aren't good motives, are they?

 

[oryx]

those aren't good motives, are they?

Of course not, but it is the general concept that charity is good that needs challenging.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course not, but it is the general concept that charity is good that needs challenging.

By doing charity?

 

[oryx]

By doing charity?

 

[Maharani]

But they're not really doing 'charity'. They're appearing to do something, they're patronising and yes, their egos are getting in the way of them doing any good.

I have a lot of time and respect for small, community based 'charities' that don't shout about what they're doing but really do make small differences. These two are parading peacocks. Or maybe they're just a bit 'duh' and daddy's in PR...I dunno but I do think they are stupid cunts.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

This as bad as the government in the 80s handing out butter & tinned minced beef from the EU surplus butter & beef 'mountains' to those on the dole but giving us nothing from the wine 'lake'.

 

[Pickman's model]

This as bad as the government in the 80s handing out butter & tinned minced beef from the EU surplus butter & beef 'mountains' to those on the dole but giving us nothing from the wine 'lake'.

no one wanted to drink the antifreeze that passed for german and austrian wine then

 

[Chilli.s]

Its the nature of charities today though. Gotta have a high profile to get anywhere, gotta have a big bang to get off the ground. In a few months maybe even some kind of salaried positions, premises, vehicles.

The name I do find a bit offensive, as they clearly aren't going to buy the cider or crack to give out. Everyone knows that drug and alcohol consumption goes hand in hand with homelessness and this is too much pointing and laughing for me.

 

[Clair De Lune]

Ugh I read about this yesterday and it really pissed me off. The haves looking at the have nots and going 'but I don't want to give them any of my money in case they spend it on something I don't approve of' Fuck you, you probably typed that on your Iphone while wearing a shit £100 yaks wool jumper. The cost of your make up alone could probably feed five homeless people for a month.I bet you sit at cafes with your ipad drinking a triple soya fuckhead lattes and you are worried where your spare quid goes? fuck off you dehumanising louis vuitton skin bag.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The baleful influence of chris morris at work again. People trying to see how far they can push things. Used to be called seeing how much shit people would eat. This time it's directed at people in desperate need. This will be outdone by one called scum next week.

To be fair, Chris Morris only satirised this sort of shit, he never advocated it.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

This is like Bono trying help the poor but since he became a facebook share billionaire he seems to have stopped.

 

[Nice one]

With Hipster Friends Like @crackandcider Homeless People Don't Need Enemies

beautiful bit of writing that, glad he hasn't lost his touch.

 

[DotCommunist]

beautiful bit of writing that, glad he hasn't lost his touch.

yeah he's nailed it spot there.

 

[Dr. Furface]

The name is shit but I can sort of see why they've done it.

Not something I would have chosen but there you go.

They should have called it Clothes not Crack which would've neatly summed up what it's all about, but wouldn't have been so objectionable or seem so self-attention seeking.

 

[YouSir]

Wonder how much money it costs to open a pop up shop in Hackney? Or, if the space is donated, how much money it could be generating. Also wonder how much they'd be charging for their time if they were just doing a job.

Not that they'd be up for giving that money to homeless people, obviously, because they can't be trusted, but might have been a better/less self-promotingly useful idea.

 

[SpineyNorman]

The one on the left in the picture in the article looks very familiar - can't think where but I'm sure I've seen her somewhere before.

 

[sihhi]

Am I being stupid? The whole point of this pretty stupid, it might make sense if the charity was in the countryside somewhere collected unwanted clothes from far out to be distributed among the homeless. If you live in a city all you must do is ask someone homeless whether they want X clothing item, if they don't then you ask another until you find someone who does.

??

 

[YouSir]

Am I being stupid? The whole point of this pretty stupid, it might make sense if the charity was in the countryside somewhere collected unwanted clothes from far out to be distributed among the homeless. If you live in a city all you must do is ask someone homeless whether they want X clothing item, if they don't then you ask another until you find someone who does.

??

But then you'd have to a: talk to them and b: not get to shop at Crack and Cider where everyone can see you.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Yeah its all about visible giving isn't it. Also its not even that you avoid talking to homeless people - its even more removed than that. If you donated clothing or camping equipment to a local homeless charity, like The People's Kitchen in Newcastle, then you'd probably drop stuff off at their centre, speak to a volunteer (some of whom will be ex-homeless themselves), come away with a leaflet explaining what they do and how else you can help. With this you are removed even from the charity people who might talk to homeless people.

 

[sihhi]

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They've spent some of the money from donators/customers on their website, packaging, signs, printing and shop maintenance. It's stuff for middle-class people to put on their CVs.

 

[cesare]

They've spent some of the money from donators/customers on their website, packaging, signs, printing and shop maintenance. It's stuff for middle-class people to put on their CVs.

It's stuff for cluefree and cushioned middle-class people to put on their CVs.

 

[Maggot]

They should have called it Clothes not Crack which would've neatly summed up what it's all about, but wouldn't have been so objectionable or seem so self-attention seeking.

And no-one would have heard of it.

 

[captainmission]

The one on the left in the picture in the article looks very familiar - can't think where but I'm sure I've seen her somewhere before.

according to her wikipedia entry

Scarlett Montanaro....is more recently known as one of Amy Childs best friends in 'The Only Way is Essex.'

Are you a big TOWIE fan by any chance?

 

[kittyP]

Oh god this is making me want to scratch my face off its so infuriating!

 

[keybored]

according to her wikipedia entry



Are you a big TOWIE fan by any chance?

I think that's a different Scarlet Montanaro, but this is spooky...

Scarlett Montanaro (born in Leigh-on-Sea, United Kingdom), known professionally as Baybe!, is a British-based singer / actress. She is best known for her hit records in the 1990s including "Sexy Sugar Hut me", "New Age fun with a Vintage Feel" "Cider, no Crack", "All that she wants is another Baby" and "S'Mo from Essex"

Edit: Disregard that, some wag added that to the article today. In fact the whole article seems to be a troll.