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High time for a single GCC currency?

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An article discussing the case for a single goulf currency. the political ramifications of which must be causing concern in some quarters.
It also deals with Oil trading in euros.

"However, the dollar peg is not the optimal choice for the region's economies.
As GCC economies mature and attempt to diversify away from dependence on hydrocarbons, the utility of the dollar peg needs to be critically examined."


"Iran's decision to open an oil and associated derivatives market in March 2006 is interesting, not least because it plans to invoice contracts in euros, not dollars."


Interesting indeed.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6472D68F-7D5D-4F37-A7AE-C345CEF5117B.htm
 
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"Iran's decision to open an oil and associated derivatives market in March 2006 is interesting, not least because it plans to invoice contracts in euros, not dollars."


Interesting indeed.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6472D68F-7D5D-4F37-A7AE-C345CEF5117B.htm[/QUOTE]

Not only is it interesting... :rolleyes: but i was reading an article from the ( I think) the New American Institute or some such body lile that which implied that under no circumstances should the US allow gulf states to move away from the dollor being the main currency with regard to dealing in oil,gas and minerals etc.
Apparently, dealing in Dollars is actually a big earner for the US goverment in terms of foregin currency reserves etc..don`t know how as economics always fails me...
 
The Iranian Oil Bourse has been in the air for some time. Just another reason for Dick Cheney to give Jack Straw a dead leg next time he see's him.
 
"That was an elliptical reference to the overwhelming influence of Saudi Arabia, whose government is the staunchest ally of the US within Opec.

'The Saudis are holding the line on oil prices in Opec and should they, for example, go along with the rest of the Opec people in demanding that oil be priced in euros, that would deal a very heavy blow to the American economy,' Youssef Ibrahim, of the influential US Council on Foreign Relations, told CNN. "

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,900867,00.html

My uninformed guess is that all this now, is an example of Saudi frustration. To see them go public with their complaints the other week was pretty shocking.
 
cemertyone said:
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Apparently, dealing in Dollars is actually a big earner for the US goverment in terms of foregin currency reserves etc..don`t know how as economics always fails me...

As I understand it, the US requires no 'float' to buy oil with at the moment. With a switch to Euro's, they will have to buy lots of Euro's in advance. In effect, this uselessly ties up loads of capital that the US haven't needed to do in the past. Iraq was making noises about this switch before gulf war 2.
 
Many people have suggested that Iraq's switching to Euros was the real reason for the invasion in 2003.

Now Iran has similar plans, and the US/UK governments are starting to target that country with various accusations too.

Coincidence?
 
Hmm, interesting - but aren't these two separate but related arguments? At the moment, surely the GCC countries just have currencies that are effectively dollarized - the local exchange rate must 99% depend on the dollar/price of oil because there's not much else happening in the economies. They retain local currencies for vanity reasons (cos they can't fix interest rates or control the volume of currency trading, surely? It would be more efficient to just abolish the riyals - although

OTOH, the fixing of oil prices in Euros or another currency wouldn't necessarily mean abolishing the local currencies, would it? Doesn't Russia already price/execute some oil transactions in Euros?
 
"Iran oil bourse:a threat to the petrodollar?"

"Iran's decision to set up an oil and associated derivatives market next year has generated a great deal of interest.

This is primarily because of Iran's reported intention to invoice energy contracts in euros rather than dollars.

The contention that this could unseat the dollar's dominance as the de facto currency for oil transactions may be overstated, but this has not stopped many commentators from linking America's current political disquiet with Iran to the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB)."


Here is an article from 2004 setting out reasons why this is a real threat to the US.

"Getting a share of this economic free lunch has been one of the motivations, and perhaps the main motivation, behind setting up the euro2 . Were the euro to become a reserve currency equal to, or perhaps even instead of, the dollar, countries would reduce their dollar holdings while building up their euro savings. Another way of putting this would be to say that Eurozone countries would be able to reduce their subsidy to American consumption and would find that other countries were now subsidising Eurozone consumption instead."

"Semi-official confirmation that petro-currency rivalry was at the heart of the split between France and Germany, on the one hand, and the US, on the other, was provided by Howard Fineman, the chief political correspondent for Newsweek, in an article he wrote in April 2003, in the aftermath of the war. The Europeans and Americans were then arguing over whether the UN's oil-for-food programme in Iraq should remain in place or not. Using the term 'clash of civilisations' to describe the divide which was developing, Fineman explained that the disagreement had little to do with the French calls for the search for weapons of mass destruction to resume and for sanctions to remain in place until the search was complete. Instead, Fineman said, it was mainly about the dollar vs the euro. Citing White House officials and a presidential aide, he explained that the dispute between the two continents was really about 'who gets to sell - and buy - Iraqi oil, and what form of currency will be used to denominate the value of the sales. That decision, in turn, will help decide who controls Iraq, which, in turn, will represent yet another skirmish in a growing global economic conflict. We want a secular, American-influenced pan-ethnic entity of some kind to control the massive oil fields (Iraq's vast but only real source of wealth). We want that entity to be permitted to sell the oil to whomever it wants, denominated in dollars.' Fineman concluded his article by confidently predicting that future Iraqi oil sales would be switched back to dollars1 ."

Who comes next, one guess.

"America's willingness to use violence to defend its economic interests does not seem to have reduced the number of oil exporters considering switching to the euro as they recognise that their use of the dollar enables the US to build up its military strength. "

"In a further development, in June 2004, Iran announced that it had plans to establish an oil-trading market for Middle Eastern and OPEC producers which could threaten the dominance of London's International Petroleum Exchange and New York's Nymex20 . Such a move could help remove some of the technical difficulties that exist with a switch away from dollar-denomination of oil sales.

the US has refused to get involved in direct talks with the Iranian government which it views as 'evil'.
It is therefore not surprising to find that, just as with Iraq, the European Union and the US are dealing with Iran in very different ways. While the EU has been holding trade negotiations with Iran21 and involved in dialogue about its nuclear programme, the US has refused to get involved in direct talks with the Iranian government which it views as 'evil'.


nice cheery finish;

"The dollar, though, is no longer a stable, reliable currency: the IMF has warned that the US trade deficit is so bad that its currency could collapse at any time32 . Will we really have to wait for a full-blown dollar crisis before a public debate about creating a just and sustainable trading system can begin?"
 
Incoming Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has a neat view of this.

"Further describing several options in the government's arsenal for fighting deflation Bernanke also said, "the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost." "

Now it is true that,
" These metaphors referred to the potential of the Fed to give money directly to citizens (as opposed to working through banks) as a last-resort possibility to stop deflation."

but he clearly would do whatever it takes
 
ah... now this might explain the sabre rattling by the US on Iran over the last few weeks.

Interesting article by Gen Wesley Clarke (rewritten in 2004 btw) here on the impact on the US economy of OPEC changing to a Euro based oil economy, and his belief that this was the main underlying reason for the Iraq war.

"Otherwise, the effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.

"The United States economy is intimately tied to the dollar's role as reserve currency. This doesn't mean that the U.S. couldn't function otherwise, but that the transition would have to be gradual to avoid such dislocations (and the ultimate result of this would probably be the U.S. and the E.U. switching roles in the global economy)."
 
the move towards power blocks (such as the EU) seems to be the trend - if these power blocks have their own currency, so their legitimacy and power is increased - the idea of the gulf region uniting in such a fashion will no doubt send trigger fingers itching in Washington, but I think it should be supported by those who would like to see a more even distribution of power, globally.

There is no doubt though that this must still be a long way off in the gulf - but even a move to the Euro re:Oil would create a major destabilising of US power...

...it is surely just a matter of time now: US power has peaked, I would say, the latest Iraq war will go down as the turning point - rather than shock and awe the wider world into submission, it has flagged up the inherent weaknesses of US power. IMO.
 
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