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N_igma said:
No, try talking to the pupil, his parents, the board of governors and get the issue sorted
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Don't you think teachers already do this? In cases like this, it's more likely than not that the parents don't give two shits about it

N_igma said:
Alledged assault.
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Either it happened or it didn't happen. Do you honestly think the teachers would all be on strike if it didn't happen?
 
CyberRose said:
it's more likely than not that the parents don't give two shits about it
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Not according to the interview I heard on the radio this morning. Apparently the teachers are willing to let the pupil back as long as he is isolated from everyone else, the parents think that's like putting him into a prison. And why should they have to go look for another school? He had to go through two bereavements and was quite clearly unstable at the time of the incident.

CyberRose said:
Either it happened or it didn't happen. Do you honestly think the teachers would all be on strike if it didn't happen?
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I was thinking more of libel issues regarding this site.
 
N_igma said:
Not according to the interview I heard on the radio this morning. Apparently the teachers are willing to let the pupil back as long as he is isolated from everyone else, the parents think that's like putting him into a prison. And why should they have to go look for another school? He had to go through two bereavements and was quite clearly unstable at the time of the incident.



I was thinking more of libel issues regarding this site.
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If he was unstable maybe that school is unsuitable for him. Maybe something more specialised was appropriate. However, I can't see staff striking over 'nothing', why should they have to be assaulted?
 
N_igma said:
Apparently the teachers are willing to let the pupil back as long as he is isolated from everyone else
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So the teachers are being pretty fexible on this then? (more flexible than I would want to be anyway...)

the parents think that's like putting him into a prison
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Aww.

People who assault other people do go to prison.


And why should they have to go look for another school?
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Cos their kid assaulted (allegedly) a teacher at the first school?

Seems reasonable to me.

He had to go through two bereavements and was quite clearly unstable at the time of the incident.
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So? Doesn't make the assault hurt any less, or the teacher or other students feel any less threatened? Of course the kid has some kind of issue, and of course those issues should be looked at. Bit its a seperate issue, no?
 
N_igma said:
Not according to the interview I heard on the radio this morning. Apparently the teachers are willing to let the pupil back as long as he is isolated from everyone else, the parents think that's like putting him into a prison. And why should they have to go look for another school? He had to go through two bereavements and was quite clearly unstable at the time of the incident.
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But I don't see this as an isolated incident. It's the principle of the situation, teachers should be safe in their working environment and people who refuse to be taught (thereby preventing the rest of the kids from learning) or go further and assault teachers should not be in the classroom full stop.

I was thinking more of libel issues regarding this site.
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Well I was thinking more of common sense. It's not as if this site isn't full of unsubstantiated accusations against individuals, organisations or governments is it? Besides, nobody's mentioned the kids name so legally I'm sure we're fine
 
N_igma said:
http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=84073

The incident involves a student who alledgedly attacked a teacher last year, the teachers then refused to teach the student which resulted in their wages being docked. Teachers go on strike and all pupils haven't been taught for nearly two weeks.

Although I think the teachers are well within their rights to strike, I think the educational needs of all the students must take priority and the teachers should go back to work. Thoughts?
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Best way to ensure that the educational needs of the rest of the pupils (not students) is to remove the perpetrator and maintain discipline, not allow teachers to be seen as permissible targets who can be attacked with impunity.
 
In my (secondary) school - we've had 3 attacks on teachers by (female) student in the last 3 weeks - we've made the newspapers (including several nationals) 4 times in the last 3 weeks as a result - two (possibly 3?) of those resulted in teachers receiving medical attention. I wonder if there had been a strike after incident #1 if we'd still be in this situation?
 
gaijingirl said:
In my (secondary) school - we've had 3 attacks on teachers by (female) student in the last 3 weeks - we've made the newspapers (including several nationals) 4 times in the last 3 weeks as a result - two (possibly 3?) of those resulted in teachers receiving medical attention. I wonder if there had been a strike after incident #1 if we'd still be in this situation?
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The same student? :eek:
 
Fullyplumped said:
The NHS backs up nurses and other staff threatened or attacked by patients, and will withdraw treatment from people who continue to act in that way.
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Yes, as I said in an earlier post, the NHS can refuse treatment to anybody abusing or assaulting their staff. Why teachers are different, I don't know.

It may be one thing in a special school where they expect it and are allowed to use restraining techniques.

However, like I also said, I think some of the cases of violence in schools are down to the fact some of those kids should not have been put into a mainstream school to begin with. Of course we don't know whether that's the case in this instance.
 
The attitudes displayed by some posters on this thread - the shrieking sense of entitlement, and so on - demonstrates that workers in 'essential services' should never be deprived of their right to strike.
 
Idris2002 said:
The attitudes displayed by some posters on this thread - the shrieking sense of entitlement, and so on - demonstrates that workers in 'essential services' should never be deprived of their right to strike.
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If you buy a train ticket which gives you the right to travel, does it also allow you to assault the guard?

Louis MacNeice
 
Did I ever tell you about the time I punched a smiling fortune teller?

I always like to strike a happy medium.
 
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