Heygate Estate redevelopment: just 79 social rented units out of a total 2,535 new homes

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by editor, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

  3. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Great, a wannabe pogofish. :facepalm:

    I'm of the opinion that this recent development and its potential political ramifications is big enough to be worthy of a new thread, but thank you anyway for linking to a relevant thread which does, to be fair, include that rather lovely picture of the copper sulphate crystals artwork.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    tbh there are a load of developments, eg in haggerston and round the colville estate in hackney, as well as the heygate which i would suggest ought to have a big single thread rather than having one for every estate which is knocked down and then replaced just without more than a few token social housing flats.
     
  5. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Feel free to start any thread you like, but I'm happy to see this development being discussed right there, thanks.

    It's too important to be buried in one monster thread full of unrelated redevelopments in different boroughs, IMO.
     
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  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    so what do you think this development's potential political ramifications are?
     
  7. editor

    editor hiraethified

    That's what I'm hoping to learn something about.

    Have you read the article and the links contained therein? Lots to take in there.

    Perhaps you could discuss some of that rather than offer your opinion about how and where I should post here.
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    let's start off with the potential involvement of the district auditor who might be interested in why southwark flogged off the land below its market value.
     
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  9. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    Sounds like somebody's palm somewhere has been crossed with silver. Surely this will face legal challenge.
     
  10. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Can this decision be appealed in any way? It sounds extremely dodgy to say the least.
     
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  11. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

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  12. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    I spent time in Walworth in 2011 and got to know some of the people involved in the Heygate gardening project and met one of the guys holding out to get a decent price for his flat. The whole thing has just stunk of the worst kind of gerrymandering possible. It's abysmal.
     
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  13. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    just those sheer numbers make me feel physically sick. talk about social cleansing... what's happening in brixton seems sometimes debatable, too many small cuts.

    this is just... monstrous.


    two and a half thousand new homes for wealthy londoners... a tiny, tiny fraction of them for the people who have traditionally lived in the area.
     
  14. weepiper

    weepiper Jock under the bed

    Disgusting :mad:
     
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  15. Frances Lengel

    Frances Lengel Atrophied Member Banned

    Is this the gardening thing? 74227_10151353052333169_621658926_n.jpg

    Some nice pics of Heygate here, starting about halfway down the page.

    www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501265&page=123
     
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  16. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    I also got told that the big Phillishave penis thing in Elephant has all the social housing at the bottom and the higher levels for everyone else. There are separate lifts too - the bottom floors are served by one and then from the 10th floor upwards it's a different one. This is allegedly so that the yuppies don't have to mix with the unwashed.
     
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  17. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.


    Yeah. I was there a little bit. I failed at gardening but I have followed the Heygate story closely. If you look at the history of the equally giant and very well-known Cabrini Green project in Chicago, you can see that the same stunts are pulled on social tenants worldwide.
     
  18. eatmorecheese

    eatmorecheese Be who you needed when you were younger

    Words fail me. I've left the area now, but my in-laws and their whole family grew up in Walworth and Elephant & Castle. Generations of community up in smoke. Just so Selena and Jasper feel safe when they're braying in their luxury apartments.

    Fucking angry just about sums it up. :mad::(
     
  19. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    Boris seems to have stopped bothering about Section 106 - Ken had his flaws, but he was well into the Social Housing element of new developments
     
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  20. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    Still plenty of Section 106 money being agreed as part of new development agreements as least judging by what is happening in Hackney. Surely S 106 is a borough-level thing. So its to do with Southwark Council rather than Boris Johnson. But what is happening is some of the agreements are being negotiated at Chief Executive level rather than with the planning departments and they are somewhat opaque. Have heard some stuff about Woodberry Down estate as well.
     
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  21. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    from occupy london's facebook page.
     
  22. tbtommyb

    tbtommyb Well-Known Member

  23. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Emphatically this. From the ed's blog post:

    Its hard to imagine anyone who is competent and honest agreeing to such a deal.
     
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  24. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    Elephant will be the next or one of the next Dalstons won't it? Edgy, gritty-looking but on the edge of zone one and amazing transport links - it will be perfect for housing the next load of trust-funders and cock-wipes.
     
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  25. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    £50m for 22 acres of zone 1. Right. That leasehold or freehold? Of course once you sell an asset you no longer have that asset. This is a major issue. Future councils can't re-own what previous councils have sold off. And council land is OUR land.
     
  26. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Sad to say, I'm not even surprised.
     
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  27. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism



    They still use this language then?
    Using words with antonyms that catagorise the majority of the development as unaffordable or anti-social!
     
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  28. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    we'll give you a discount on the land if you promise us less 'social' housing than we demand in our policy, and then let you not bother giving us even that much? Good deal.
     
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  29. editor

    editor hiraethified

    The scale may not be as large in Brixton, but it adds up to the same thing once you've lost your home.

    Something like a third of the Guinness Trust residents at the back of the Moorlands Estate were made homeless not so long ago by another of these 'partnership' deals, and there's more to come, no doubt. :(
     
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  30. Mapped

    Mapped London town

    LB Southwark for one

    They've had funding after funding for this development for over a decade. Section 31 money given on the basis that there would be no loss in social housing, but no actual enforceable conditions on the money.
     

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