An attack against Iran would be very bad news indeed, to put it mildly. Hopefully they can be persuaded not to by the Americans. Experts I listened to on Fox News a few months ago were putting the odds of a unilateral take-out as high as 50/50. As well as the environmental and human impact (which like Chernobyl would spread all around the globe), it is an event that would make a major war in the region a high probability and a new global war a medium probability. It would also unleash a considerable economic shock-wave at a time of global market fragility and insecurity. Israel are highly protective of their regional security and any perceived, actual or imagined threats from neighbouring countries, but they really need to take a reality check when it comes to Iran. If Iran came out with some of the comments and actions that we've seen from North Korea in recent months for example, then maybe they might have something to get antsy about.
Here's how Israel would destroy Iran's nuclear program
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
The Arabs have tried to wipe out israel with out success on several occasions .Short of the idf nuking mecca for a lol cant really see how Israel
could upset Arabs anymore than it already does .I doubt them bombing some persians who supposedly the arabs are not keen on either would be a sufficent rallying cry .
NO doubt some end timers getting excited about apocalpsye though.Fortunatly obama dosen't have to appear to listen to fundies and has even suggested to the israelis they try being nice for once.
david dissadent
New Member
IMHO this study simply reiterates what has been being said for several years. Israel lacks the capacity to remove the Iranian project as a weapons program and probibly could only at best slow it a couple of years. You can detect underground tunnels being built at places like Natanz by satalite radar measuring subsidance (dont know how deep though) but that old bugbear of logistics means the operation would probibly be beyond Israel. The conlcusion of the article is pretty straight forward, engagement is the best solution.
You have to stand in awe at Irans misapplication of strategic resource in that it can develop marging steel for centerfuges but cant build a heavy oil refining complex so still imports finished petrochemicals including diesel. Clearly a country where the hawks are in charge.
You have to stand in awe at Irans misapplication of strategic resource in that it can develop marging steel for centerfuges but cant build a heavy oil refining complex so still imports finished petrochemicals including diesel. Clearly a country where the hawks are in charge.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Depends on local geology, IIRC)
Isn't there a development taking place with Chinese backing and tech assistance to develop refineries "in country"?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Good to see this:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67384489/1
I know it's not the outright condemnation of various Israeli actions that some may want, but it's potentially far more productive than that kind of approach, and a lot further than an American Pres has gone in my memory*
*caveat: though I'm no expert, maybe I missed something.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67384489/1
I know it's not the outright condemnation of various Israeli actions that some may want, but it's potentially far more productive than that kind of approach, and a lot further than an American Pres has gone in my memory*
*caveat: though I'm no expert, maybe I missed something.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
This assumes that the 'Iranian nuclear problem would be solved' which as both the Cordesman study (pdf!) and every other serious study (e.g. this one) I've seen maintains is extremely unlikely.
david dissadent
New Member
I cant find a specific project for this but Iran does seem to be adding 1million bbd refining capacity. Their is always stuff flying around new refining capacity and new fields being exploited. I will make an effort to get more exact info on this though.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm sure I read it on a defence-related website, but I'm buggered if I can remember which one.
Israel will HAVE to take out Irans nuclear programe if it looks like producing a weapon. Its as simple as that. It has no other option.
It cannot take a risk with a nation that is led by a person who has called for its r destruction (and dont give me all that bollocks about it being misinterperated. Ahmadinejad knew what he was saying and how it would be taken and has gone on to repeat it) getting the means of destroying you.
If somebody threatens to kill you by and large you dont take notice. If that person starts waving a gun around then suddenly you have no choice.
It cannot take a risk with a nation that is led by a person who has called for its r destruction (and dont give me all that bollocks about it being misinterperated. Ahmadinejad knew what he was saying and how it would be taken and has gone on to repeat it) getting the means of destroying you.
If somebody threatens to kill you by and large you dont take notice. If that person starts waving a gun around then suddenly you have no choice.
newharper
Manxome Tove
At this level of bollocks, it needs only to reiterate that the position that the clown Ahmadinejad has, does not qualify him to enable your wet dream.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
How about Israel sign up for a regional nuclear free pact with Iran and the Arab league countries. Syria has been calling for this for years and Iran has already said it would join.
Oh it would involve the only nuclear power in the region to give up its bomb, so I won't hold my breath. I am always amazed by the way Iran is demonised for its nuclear weapons programme while Isreal's possession of the bomb doesn't raise an eyebrow.
Israel has nuclear weapons.
Israel is occupying its neighbours land
Israel has committed grave war crimes and crimes against civilians recently both in Lebanon and in Gaza
Israel has attacked its neighbours, syria and Iraq and threatened Iran
It is Israeli that is the threat to peace in the middle east not Iran. Iran isn't occupying the land of others. Iran hasn't attacked it's neighbours. Iran isn't behaving as a regional aggressor. This honour goes to Israel.
While Israel remains the sole possessor of nuclear weapons it's neighbours will try to get the bomb too;. The only way to stop nuclear proliferation in this region is for Israel to join in a comprehensive, verifiable treaty declaring the middle east a nuclear free zone. If Isreal is unwilling to sign and abide by such a treaty then don't be surprised when Iran eventually goes nuclear.
Looks likely now after the elections results today.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
While Israel is sole possessor of nukes in this region, I think you will find people on both sides in this election will support a nuclear programme and I can understand why.
Make no mistake, the kids throwing rocks at policemen right now are in favour of Irans nuclear programme.Until Israel agree to a comprehensive regional nuke deal that will remain the case. Iran feels naked and vulnerable to Israeli attack. To them, as to us, nukes are a deterrent.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
hmm
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Well, quite. The Times has a daily slot for this story. On Monday, Israel will pulverise Iran's nuclear facilities using robot giraffes. On Tuesday, Iraqi nougat mines will provide secret underground passage to Iran for Mossad. The details vary only very slightly; the story has been running since 2002.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
What are they going to do, send killer robots back in time?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
With respect, Iraq's was logistically far easier to destroy, because a lot of the effort was concentrated in a small number of venues. The Iranians have made sure that their own programme is spread over hundreds of sites, making it far harder for Israel (or anyone else) to neutralise the programme without incurring significant personnel and materiel costs.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
What about the option of using diplomacy instead of its military? Of doing the decent thing? I bet the threat of a nuke hanging over their heads would create an amazing policy shift away from shooting and ethnically cleansing anything problematic, the loathesome turds.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh, I think there is every chance that Israel will try to destroy Iranian nuclear sites. With or without American agreement. If it seems Iran is really coming nearer to a weapon there might be a lot of political pressure in Israel to do something about it.
They have been top dog in the region militarily for a long time, I am sure they don't want to lose that position.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Not really. The past few military adventures, not counting "operation cast lead" (although even then they still didn't manage to stop the pathetic home made rockets) have been totally embarrassments for Israel militarily speaking. If they try to attack Iran the chances are they will be sent packing with their tail between their legs.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
But do you think it is likely they would sit by and do nothing?
I don't think that is likely.
And it is not as if they can expect an American led invasion of Iran like there was with Iraq, there would be no stomach for that nor any allies.
So if Israel don't do something it seems Iran gets nukes almost by default.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Israel *can't* destroy Iran's nuclear capability. They can carry on leaking all these plans to the Western press but it makes no difference.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
What is your reasoning for this *can't*?
Do you think for example that Iran has distributed its facilities adequately and hardenned them sufficiently?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
What, against a few Israeli bombers? Yes.
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