Here's a whining racist scumbag

[LiamO]

My mates dad supports rangers and even when he's three sheets I've never seen a peep of sectarian bigotry from him. Som people are just dicks I spose...

I dare say yer Da (if he is indeed Scots) supports Scotland too and is somewhat bewildered by the new generation of scottish SuperBrit England supporters who are vast and loud amonst sevco fans under 40 years of age. I know many older rangers fans are.

 

[LiamO]

Yes you are or trying to at least.

but in explanation, it is a possibility....blah, blah, blah...

Sorry, but that is complete and utter bollocks.

I merely pointed out that he is no doubt a racist every day... like many thousands of others... but not a violently abusive one every day. That does not excuse his behaviour. Nor does it attempt to.

 

[Batboy]

If I were trying to explain his racist behaviour... which I am not, have not... i would perhaps have referred to his upbringing in a dysfunctional, bigoted, society that still, to this day, mebbe 150 years on, regards it as perfectly legitimate - polite even - to tell the descendants of Irish immigrants to 'go home if you don't like it'... where a superiority complex (based on genetic religious differences apparently) is in-bred into knuckle-draggers... where Scottish football hoolies wear Ingerlund football shirts to assert their 'Britishness'... and where thousands of unionist, posho Rugby fans sing of sending proud Edward's army 'homeward... tae think again'...

Bit depressing that image. Has secretarial differences and violence got worse over say the last ten years?

 

[LiamO]

I'll let weepiper or another Scot answer that one

 

[DrRingDing]

Bit depressing that image. Has secretarial differences and violence got worse over say the last ten years?

 

[Batboy]

Ok smarty pants... a typo... but nice pic nevertheless

 

[weepiper]

I feel like it has got worse, but it may be that I'm just more aware of it because I'm hanging out with a lot more Catholics/people of an Irish background than I used to before 5 or 6 years ago. The stuff that went on with Neil Lennon and a couple of other high-profile Celtic fans getting suspicious packages sent in the post recently. I know the unionist types have been getting quite aggressive just lately too, threatening to attack the hall where a Republican flute band practices recently so that the parents of the wee girls who were supposed to be having a dancing class in another room there were worried enough that they cancelled their class

 

[Limerick Red]

I feel like it has got worse, but it may be that I'm just more aware of it because I'm hanging out with a lot more Catholics/people of an Irish background than I used to before 5 or 6 years ago. The stuff that went on with Neil Lennon and a couple of other high-profile Celtic fans getting suspicious packages sent in the post recently. I know the unionist types have been getting quite aggressive just lately too, threatening to attack the hall where a Republican flute band practices recently so that the parents of the wee girls who were supposed to be having a dancing class in another room there were worried enough that they cancelled their class

Haven't been in Glasgow for 2 or 3 years,(really need to get up there soon), but as always I think the tensions in the occupied counties are being played out on the streets of Glasgow, and that there is a whole, essentially reactionary class of people (and Im not talking about unionists or protestants, or rangers fans... that probably needs explaining on here) but a new loyalist youth, thats less political (can that be even possible?) than their predecessors, that see every small step towards equality, every small concession being made in the occupied counties and Scotland, as something being taken away from them, and react in the most reactionary way possible...there is no answer for people like this, they are just going to keep being left to their bigoted ideas, and as society moves progressively forward (somewhat) they are just going to fall further and further behind, and kick out in the only way they know how, racism, and bigotory towords any perceived threat to "Gods own people" and their god given place in society.

 

[krtek a houby]

I've kept off this thread for a week to see how it would pan out.

Many posters are questioning why he should be able to use his disastrous personal life as mitigation for his actions. fair enough, but let's be clear here. Nobody is suggesting these factors excuse his racism. Nor that they caused it.

What they did apparently contribute to was changing his expression of his racism. It moved him from walking past maybe muttering to himself, from side-of-the-mouth snide remarks amongst an audience he would be sure was sympathetic - round the dinner table, in his local, down the Lodge - to somebody who aggressively verbally attacked the busker (who I'm sure he had walked past many a time given he is something of a fixture in Glasgow, but never abused before).

So while none of his personal failings and tribulations excuse his racist outburst, they perhaps do explain the acceleration from passive to aggressive expression, no?

Always a soft spot for the underdog, eh? What a caring fellow you are. Not one word of sympathy for the victim, mind. Not one effort to empathise or understand his plight in this.

 

[malatesta32]

i dont think liamO should be seen in any way as an apologist for fascists and racists. his more than ample testimonies would imply quite the opposite.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It's the likes of him that give Glasgow a bad name.

And the old 'I was pissed/I was in a bad place/I had something shit happen to me' excuse combo. Guess what, there's no excuse for being a racist.

I feel that being drunk should not be a mitigating factor. In the army, idiocy committed whilst pissed*, was dealt with as follows. 1. Charged with being drunk. 2. Charged with the idiocy. Being drunk was classed as a 'prevalent offence', and could attract hefty penalties.

*Once or twice, well maybe three times... I got fined £200.00 for being drunk. It was a kind of a 'plea bargain' really, hefty fine for being drunk, but the Warrant Officer I smacked didn't press charges.

 

[DotCommunist]

effective too- if you've just forked out 200 pound notes as a fine you won't have any beer money for a bit

 

[Sasaferrato]

effective too- if you've just forked out 200 pound notes as a fine you won't have any beer money for a bit

Believe me Dottie, the fine was fuck all compared to the verbal kicking I got from Mrs Sas. Arriving home legless at 6 in the morning, mess dress jacket missing, shirt hanging in tatters, covered in blood (mostly not mine) and being unable to find your key, is not good.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Haven't been in Glasgow for 2 or 3 years,(really need to get up there soon), but as always I think the tensions in the occupied counties are being played out on the streets of Glasgow, and that there is a whole, essentially reactionary class of people (and Im not talking about unionists or protestants, or rangers fans... that probably needs explaining on here) but a new loyalist youth, thats less political (can that be even possible?) than their predecessors, that see every small step towards equality, every small concession being made in the occupied counties and Scotland, as something being taken away from them, and react in the most reactionary way possible...there is no answer for people like this, they are just going to keep being left to their bigoted ideas, and as society moves progressively forward (somewhat) they are just going to fall further and further behind, and kick out in the only way they know how, racism, and bigotory towords any perceived threat to "Gods own people" and their god given place in society.

It is actually worse than you think. The insidious mix of extreme right wing politics and religious bigotry, add in drink and drug abuse...

 

[Frances Lengel]

Believe me Dottie, the fine was fuck all compared to the verbal kicking I got from Mrs Sas. Arriving home legless at 6 in the morning, mess dress jacket missing, shirt hanging in tatters, covered in blood (mostly not mine) and being unable to find your key, is not good.

Initiation ceremony?

 

[malatesta32]

sounds like a normal night out.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Initiation ceremony?

No, just a bloody good night. Well, the bits I could remember.