dennisr
the acceptable face
I voted for no2EUThey got quite a few votes in the South East I think.
And you have nowt to be ashamed of for doing so
- you are simply ahead of the times 
I standby...
Here comes the European elections!
- Thread starter Balbi
- Start date
And you have nowt to be ashamed of for doing so
- you are simply ahead of the times I standby...
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Just looking - aside from the greens, the nationwide combined "left" total (SLP, No2EU, Peace Party, SSP etc) is well over 300, 000.
Which goes to show that all these manufactured splits between "trots" and the rest of the left is utter bollocks. The fash have no trouble voting for the BNP no matter what their doctrinal differences with them are. There needs to be a fucking decent alternative in this country and we need to put our differences aside because the obscure theory of what happened with Lenin and Stalin and so on doesn't actually MATTER any more - what matters is producing a credible alternative and that isn't going to happen with all this bollocks.
There are loads of local victories going on like the Lindsey strikes and the election of the People's Party of Barrow (or whatever they're called) that need to be built on rather than whining about a few differences and blaming it all on the SWP or the trots or whatever. Sectarianism and the lack of communication resulting in constant bitching rather than actually doing stuff on the ground and cooperating is the left's major fucking downfall.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
And if I had a gram of coke for every time some tedious leftist threw his toys out the pram then I'd have to change my middle name to "scarface".
And funnily enough, every sad little party which spends half its time damning the system and the other half begging it for scraps claims that it is really, really important that you vote for them. Inventing a political party out of thin air half an hour before an election then getting your mates to vote for you is not 'building a movement'. If you want to build a movement then good luck to you but let's call a spade a spade shall we? This party of yours is just a handful of jokers piggybacking on the momentum from a few strike actions to try and get people into a position of power.
"3.35pm: Here's the latest from the count in Northern Ireland. The Northern Irish use STV, the single transferable vote, not the list system used in the rest of the UK, and counting is still going on. But we know that:
* Sinn Fein topped the poll. It is the first time a republican or nationalist party has come first in an all-Northern Ireland election. Sinn Fein's Bairbre de Brun has been elected.
* The DUP, which came tope last year, lost a substantial proportion of its vote to the new, hardline Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV) candidate, Jim Allister.
* The joint Ulster Unionist/Conservative party candidate, Jim Nicholson, did well, coming close behind the DUP on first preference votes. It's the first time the new pact between the Tories and the UUP has been tested in an election."
Guardian.co.uk
* Sinn Fein topped the poll. It is the first time a republican or nationalist party has come first in an all-Northern Ireland election. Sinn Fein's Bairbre de Brun has been elected.
* The DUP, which came tope last year, lost a substantial proportion of its vote to the new, hardline Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV) candidate, Jim Allister.
* The joint Ulster Unionist/Conservative party candidate, Jim Nicholson, did well, coming close behind the DUP on first preference votes. It's the first time the new pact between the Tories and the UUP has been tested in an election."
Guardian.co.uk
dennisr
the acceptable face
just fuck off dick splash
dennisr
the acceptable face
(given those he accuses of piggybacking' actually led the disputes - that about as serious as i can take the snide-arsed johnnycommentator-come-lately)
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
No wonder your lot made such a hash of engaging with the public if that's the best you can come up with.
dennisr
the acceptable face
My lot have just been elected funnily enough - against all odds and against all party machines on a minimal expence - so again fuck off
go and play 'lets be anarchists' down the pub
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
those he accuses of piggybacking' actually led the disputes
That doesn't mean they weren't expoliting them for their own political gain does it? And I'm very wary of people who claim to 'lead' industrial disputes anyway.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Go and play 'let's be socialists' down the gulag.
dennisr
the acceptable face
you sad cunt.
i think one simple answer to your pretentions of 'serious comment' is you didn't know in the first place - the disputes pass you by did they?
talk-the-talk anarchist - learn to engage your brain before commentating or shut up
dennisr
the acceptable face
fuck the "anarchist" gets desperate.
you fantasist "anarchist"
go paint some signs on walls and stick it to the man vivian
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
For someone who suggests I engage my brain a remarkable amount of your recent output on this thread has been unreconstructed abuse.
If you can calm youself down enough to construct sentences, would you explain why the fact that some of the NO2EU figureheads were involved in strike actions absolves them from any and all questions as to their motivations for running for office? Could you also tell me what concrete gains we might have expected a NO2EU MEP to make for the British working class? Can you explain why it's better to dabble in party politics and split a quite-split-enough-already-thanks left wing vote than to put one's energies into the very workplace struggles one claims as one's inspiration?
dennisr
the acceptable face
I've discussed such issues for months - not with idiots like you who come along after the event with half-baked distortions. be honest - if not with yourself and your anarcho pretentions - then at least admit you arnt interested in genuine answers
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I'd love some genuine answers but all I get is vitriol. Which is probably not the best way to bring people round to your way of thinking now is it?
dennisr
the acceptable face
A case of "crocodile questions" ? But you made it clear at the very beginning you already 'knew the answers' - you already 'knew what we were about' we were to be condemned and that's what you did. I simply replied to half-baked distortions presented by you. I'm in a mood for vitriol today if you fancy that - I assumed you did, given you started the ball rolling?
Now you come along with reasonable questions - its a bit late for that spooner. i was not born yesterday - anymore than the majority activists for no2eu had any illusions in the electoral results or its limitations. if you are interested read the threads.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
dennisr
the acceptable face
Already a master at the selective quote Spooner.
You planning on being a politician?
Stop acting the innocent.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I started the ball rolling with a joke you silly man. Believe it or not I wouldn't actually prefer living under a fascist regime to voting for a party with a ridiculous name. But still, there's a lot in a name. Using numbers instead of words immediately suggests to the passer by that the party in question is aiming a good few feet south of the lowest common denominator. It's patronising. What's more it puts me in mind of sundry other socialist front groups, the purpose of which are invariably to co-opt major issues and independant activism for political gain. And those groups rarely succeed in doing anything but sucking the life out of whatever was there to start with.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
just read through the discussion between spooky and Dennis. Wind your forking neck in Dennis. Talk about how to win friends and influence people. With friends like you, the left don't need enemies
btw, i voted no2eu.
btw, i voted no2eu.
dennisr
the acceptable face
I'd stick to jokes and windups - you are better at that than the attempts at understanding or explaining what was going on that you 'followed through' with. the fall back to 'but i'm genuinely interested and virtual version of innocent eyes is quite funny.
The irony is i would probably agree with you about the limitations of the name (actually, I think the organisational and programatic questions would be a wee bit more important) - but as its you...
dennisr
the acceptable face
ahh, the wise old sage, rmp3
Similar threads
