1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I dont recall saying that I belived the story, just posted a link from a dubious source.
Henson quits rugby!!
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I dont recall saying that I belived the story, just posted a link from a dubious source.
Mr Retro
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I don't believe he wants to spend more time sailing. I'm just demonstrating people will jump on him weather allegations against him are true or not.
sleaterkinney
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That is clearly bollocks, he has plenty left to prove, plenty and that is the reason people are interested in him, he has the talent but is letting it go to waste.
bendeus
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sleaterkinney
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You've only listed two occasions where he has stood out, 10 games, not all of them serious tests - that's not enough.
bendeus
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So you feel that being a test British Lion, double grand slam winner (Wales would not have won either without him, to clarify), world young player of the year, and second highest scorer in the history of his region denotes an 'unproven' player? How fascinating. Do you feel he should have parted the Red Sea and discovered a cure for cancer, also?
bendeus
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I think people judge him by different criteria than they would for any other player. If it were any other player, most would agree that his achievements are significant. Because it's Henson, people seem to feel that he won't have proven himself until he wins the World cup singlehandedly for Wales, and picks up world player of the year in the process. I find that bizarre.
bendeus
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Sigh.
Firstly, he's started 34. The only reason he hasn't started more is that his injury record in the modern game is only surpassed by Jonny Wilkinson, and even that is marginal. If he had not been held back by injury he would be the best 12 in the world, bar none. Do you feel Wilkinson has 'failed to reach his potential' because he's barely played a competitive game for England since 2003? Thought not. It has fuck all to do with his psychological state, or this mythical self-destructive narcissism that the tabloids, and a whole heap of people who should know better on these boards, wish to ascribe to him.
Of those on these boards who would seek to pass judgement, few of you have seen him play live and next to none of you watch him regularly for his region. If you did, you'd see what I see regularly at the Liberty Stadium, to wit: a player who makes it look easy; one who is instinctive, gifted and perfectly balanced. A player who, in 10 of his 34 starts, was integral in bringing two grand slams to Wales for the first time since the 1970s. I don't really know what other measure you can use for a player. In the test matches he's played, when uninjured, he's lived up to his potential. When playing for his region, when uninjured, he's lived up to his potential. Most serious Welsh rugby fans agree with this analysis, and I hope he listens to them rather than the tabloid frothers, I really do.
Juice Terry
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That is bollocks! There were at least half a dozen welsh players far more influential in those grand slam teams than Henson.
And to claim that being picked for possibly the worst lions team in history after injuries to other players let him into the side, and then getting utterly tonked by the All Blacks is some sort of fantastic achievement is also bollocks, his lions selection was on a par with Joe Worsley's, probably way behind actually at least Joe played well and won his test
Not to mention that was after the cry baby threw his toys out the pram after not being selected for the first test
Bendeus is the most one-eyed frothing Henson acolyte that you can't expect balance from him.
Hensons's a decent player who could have potentially been very good or even great. He had some bad luck with injuries, a silly tendency to draw attention and controversy to himself and (by all accounts) some dodgy interpersonal skills which may well have stopped him reaching his full potential. He was overhyped too early and never had the consistent record of achievement to live up to the billing. It's a shame, but that's what happens a lot with rugby. He isn't the messiah, but he could have been a good player.
Hensons's a decent player who could have potentially been very good or even great. He had some bad luck with injuries, a silly tendency to draw attention and controversy to himself and (by all accounts) some dodgy interpersonal skills which may well have stopped him reaching his full potential. He was overhyped too early and never had the consistent record of achievement to live up to the billing. It's a shame, but that's what happens a lot with rugby. He isn't the messiah, but he could have been a good player.
Mr Retro
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How many of them were friendlies?
Probably he would have been and he's been unlucky for sure. But he hasn't proven it, so for you to say he's fuck all left to prove is wrong. You've demonstrated it yourself
Wilkinson was the best outhalf in the world, consistantly, game after game for 3 years up to when he won the world cup.
Are you saying Henson has come near that level of performance and achievement on tyhe International stage or even approached it? That he has proven as much as Wilkinson has?
Thats a non-point. You are saying he has nothing left to prove. He clearly has
bendeus
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That is not bollocks, and no, there weren't. There were players of equal influence. More? I don't think so.
After Woodworm's utter hubris was finally exposed by the anal raping given to them by the ABs, thus forcing him to pick the best players for the position, you mean.
his lions selection was on a par with Joe Worsley's, probably way behind actually at least Joe played well and won his test
What utter crap. That's a big, limited and very slow worm you've baited that hook with, JT.
Not to mention that was after the cry baby threw his toys out the pram after not being selected for the first test
Funny that you fail to mention his being utterly stitched up by Woodworm and Alistair Fucking Campbell with 'that photo op', isn't it? Can't blame the guy for being fairly pissed off, though I can't blame the 95% of the British Isles who think Woodward is a cunt, either.
bendeus
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Any chance of telling me how he hasn't fullfilled his potential on the rugby pitch, you know, actually on the pitch, or are you just going to continue wheeling out the same, hackneyed stock phrases from the Henson haters library?
bendeus
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Dunno. Do the AIs and tours to the SH count as friendlies?
What else do you suggest he needs to have done to count as having proven himself, then? Won a world cup? That means that nine tenths of the players in the world are yet to fulfil their fucking potential.
What I'm saying is that during the rare periods that Chavin has been injury free, he has done everything that could have been asked of his talent, and has delivered, consistently, to the cause of his country, winning numerous pieces of silverware in the process. He has missed out on far more glory than he has been involved in as a result of injury, but when he has had the chance to do what he does, he has been world class. So no, I don't think he has anything more to prove.
Infidel Castro
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It's fair to say that nothing can split opinion like our Henson
But us Welsh fans are fickle: my father says he couldn't stand Phil Bennett. Thought he was shit in fact. He had the privilege of seeing BJ in action, but even then I can't see how Bennett could ever have been shit. The try by the Baa-Baas against NZ? My old man still talks of the 'hospital pass' Bennett bins out to JPR. He loathes the wee feller! Same with Shane Williams too funnily enough. I think he just dislikes wee fellers. I'll ask him about Jiffy one day and see how he reacts. Oh, and he says Mark Taylor is the greatest rugby player ever. Tongue-in-cheek I hope!
Anyway, Henson will be sorely missed when he's no longer playing for Wales. He's got in on 2 nice Grand Slams so he's obviously quite tidy
. His best ploy is fixing defenders with his eye-peeps and committing a couple of tacklers before popping the offload. For anyone who ever says he's not a team player, watch him properly and see the hits he takes for Wales and the O's. He puts his body on the line, no doubting it. That might be another reason he's injury-prone, like Wilko. Also he may have put on a bit too much bulk previously, putting strain on his ankle and all that. He's a strong lump of lad. I'd love to see him and Roberts messing about in the midfield for Wales. People would truly fear such a big, skilful combo.
As an aside, I really like Bishop. He's developing well and the O's have a classy player in the making there.
But us Welsh fans are fickle: my father says he couldn't stand Phil Bennett. Thought he was shit in fact. He had the privilege of seeing BJ in action, but even then I can't see how Bennett could ever have been shit. The try by the Baa-Baas against NZ? My old man still talks of the 'hospital pass' Bennett bins out to JPR. He loathes the wee feller! Same with Shane Williams too funnily enough. I think he just dislikes wee fellers. I'll ask him about Jiffy one day and see how he reacts. Oh, and he says Mark Taylor is the greatest rugby player ever. Tongue-in-cheek I hope!
Anyway, Henson will be sorely missed when he's no longer playing for Wales. He's got in on 2 nice Grand Slams so he's obviously quite tidy
. His best ploy is fixing defenders with his eye-peeps and committing a couple of tacklers before popping the offload. For anyone who ever says he's not a team player, watch him properly and see the hits he takes for Wales and the O's. He puts his body on the line, no doubting it. That might be another reason he's injury-prone, like Wilko. Also he may have put on a bit too much bulk previously, putting strain on his ankle and all that. He's a strong lump of lad. I'd love to see him and Roberts messing about in the midfield for Wales. People would truly fear such a big, skilful combo. As an aside, I really like Bishop. He's developing well and the O's have a classy player in the making there.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
It's fair to say that nothing can split opinion like our Henson
But us Welsh fans are fickle: my father says he couldn't stand Phil Bennett. Thought he was shit in fact. He had the privilege of seeing BJ in action, but even then I can't see how Bennett could ever have been shit. The try by the Baa-Baas against NZ? My old man still talks of the 'hospital pass' Bennett bins out to JPR. He loathes the wee feller! Same with Shane Williams too funnily enough. I think he just dislikes wee fellers. I'll ask him about Jiffy one day and see how he reacts. Oh, and he says Mark Taylor is the greatest rugby player ever. Tongue-in-cheek I hope!
Anyway, Henson will be sorely missed when he's no longer playing for Wales. He's got in on 2 nice Grand Slams so he's obviously quite tidy
As an aside, I really like Bishop. He's developing well and the O's have a classy player in the making there.
Bishop has left the Os hasn't he?
And by the way Tails was a great player.FACT
bendeus
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It's fair to say that nothing can split opinion like our Henson
But us Welsh fans are fickle: my father says he couldn't stand Phil Bennett. Thought he was shit in fact. He had the privilege of seeing BJ in action, but even then I can't see how Bennett could ever have been shit. The try by the Baa-Baas against NZ? My old man still talks of the 'hospital pass' Bennett bins out to JPR. He loathes the wee feller! Same with Shane Williams too funnily enough. I think he just dislikes wee fellers. I'll ask him about Jiffy one day and see how he reacts. Oh, and he says Mark Taylor is the greatest rugby player ever. Tongue-in-cheek I hope!
Anyway, Henson will be sorely missed when he's no longer playing for Wales. He's got in on 2 nice Grand Slams so he's obviously quite tidy
As an aside, I really like Bishop. He's developing well and the O's have a classy player in the making there.
^^^
Great post, and some perspective at last.
Bishop I'm still not sure about. Looked like a bit of a journeyman a couple of seasons ago, but seems to have kicked on over the last year. Mind you, I though Byrne was a 'bit of a journeyman' until the season before last, so what do I know
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Dai Bishop, Andrew's brother, has left the Os.
starfish
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I dont think there is such a thing in international rugby, except maybe Barbarians matches.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I dont know whether it ever happened, and have been unable to find anything on tinternet, but did Henson ever play with Scott Gibbs outside him, or vice versa? Would have been a hell of a combination.
Mr Retro
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True, bad choice of words by me. I was thinking of that game against Japan when I was posting where Henson got about 200 points.
I suppose I mean games outside 6 nations, Australia, NZ, SA and Argentina.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/8228297.stm Wales and British and Irish Lions centre Gavin Henson is on unpaid, indefinite leave from the Ospreys, BBC Sport Wales understands.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Which proves very nicely that the press do pick on him and he doesnt invite the shit he gets. Last week at a festival he was photographed drinking a jug of Pimms with a straw, and it was widely reported in the press. He's on unpaid leave, he can do what the fuck he likes, get off his back!
