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Help with atos pip assessment needed

Discussion in 'benefits and housing' started by TopCat, Mar 3, 2017.

  1. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Very ill mate has assessment coming up in less than a fortnight.
    I need advice as to how best to present and represent himself.
    The loss of his DLA would kill him.
     
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  2. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Dunno, I just supported a mate through this and they got enhanced rate everything first try. All we did was read through what we said on the form before the interview and made sure that we mentioned everything. That said, I did a fair bit of research before filling in his application form, which came to 8000 words.

    As for representing himself, he must, absolutely must bring someone along. Both as a witness, and as proof of how much help he needs.
     
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  3. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    I will be accompanying him. I have to push his wheelchair and help toilet him etc.
    He cant talk much due to COBD and has dementia issues.
     
  4. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    COPD (emphysema), I presume.

    Make sure you go over the PIPs form and have a good read and remind yourself what's been said as well. When I went to mine I thought maybe I'd interjected a little too much, but they were totally fine with my giving a few nudges and reminders, as well as a few bits of my part of the story such as care given. The only part where I couldn't interject was when they were actually testing cognitive function (count backwards from 100 in steps of 6, that sort of thing - if your friend has dementia they will be used to this type of mini mental state test).

    Also, remember go in like it's a 'worst day', just like for ESA. Remind your friend of this just before the interview if you think they'll be able to remember it.
     
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  5. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    COBD - compulsive obsessive disorder?
     
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  6. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Nah my bad copd.

    Had a kidney removed due to massive tumour. Heart issues, on warferin. No doubt will be drooling and nodding off due to meds.
    Will probaby piss himself during assessment and cry a lot.
     
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  7. emanymton

    emanymton A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.

    I can't offer any good advice. But for fucks how can it even be a question. It's horrific what people have to go through.
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

    :mad: the cunts, dragging a man like that in for prodding and poking
     
  9. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Pissing yourself is all good in this case.
     
  10. Maharani

    Maharani Just like Heaven

    I know this sounds weird but don't take your friend looking clean and tidy. I used to take people to these assessments all the time and we always advised them to look as they would on their worst days.
     
  11. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Don't forget that many centres watch you in from the car park. Pretty certain that the Blackburn centre, for example, has a one way mirror in the entrance hall.
     
  12. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Good luck to you and your mate of course. :)
     
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  13. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Pip points system

    Personal independence payment (PIP) points scores

    Re Maharani's comment. My sister tried this. Dishevelled as fuck. She knows how to get her benefits and she attained full points (enough for max benefit) But she also saw her report and the person had written ********** turned up looking well presented.

    She hadn't washed in nearly a week. Surprise, surprise, the cunts lie.

    Hope the points system helps. All the best.
     
  14. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    I left my phone on record in my pocket during the one I went to. Even if you can't use a stealth recording as evidence, it's useful to have a record of what's said as an aide memoire in the case of an appeal. Lucky for us it wasn't needed.
     
  15. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    The stress of having his higher rate DLA taken away has been with him since he got it.
    Despite my reassurances he is fretting. This is shit. What happened to paying your stamp then getting your benefit!!!
     
  16. farmerbarleymow

    farmerbarleymow daft apeth

    Good luck to your mate TopCat
     
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  17. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    well, I got my pip result this morning. He came to my home. My only problem is walking as I have an auto-immune disease that is getting progressively worse. I am down as a 50 yard claudicant with my GP. This should get me 8 pts and the lower level pip.

    I got no points. I was told "you were observed walking 8-10 steps unaided and we have decided you can walk 200 metres unaided".

    Cunts. Means an appeal. Appealing to cunts. My favourite thing in life.

    Fuck them.

    ETA I've just been told by my sister that I have to go through mandatory reconsideration which 100% fails. And then tribunal, where I pay £60 for a solicitor, or a good welfare rights person/organization which is virtually a guaranteed win (in my situation).

    The moral seems to be don't give up. My decision is designed to depress me so much I give up. Fuck them. I will fight to the end.
     
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  18. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Liked for this bit, obviously.
     
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  19. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Same advice I got from my social worker when I was being assessed
     
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  20. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Well it's tomorrow. He will have to use a wheelchair as his COPD is very poor, really worsened in last month. I doubt he will sleep tonight due to the worry.
     
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  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

    Good luck to him and best wishes to you for your helping him :)
     
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  22. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

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  23. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh

    hope all goes as well as it can
     
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  24. emanymton

    emanymton A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.

    As terrible as it is to say, the wheelchair and lack of sleep will probaby be a help. Good luck.
     
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  25. One dog

    One dog Well-Known Member

    Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.
     
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  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

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  27. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    I too hope it all went well for your mate TopCat. Please let us know when you can.

    Meanwhile...I've just appealed for my mandatory reconsideration notice. I did this over the phone. My sister, who is as big an expert in all things benefit as I know, assures me nobody ever wins on mandatory reconsideration. Which is interesting because over the phone I made a complaint about the original cunt who came around and didn't contact my NHS addresses I'd given him like he said he would. This time I 'appealed' on the grounds of this no contact, because I know if they contact my GP he will send them a letter saying I'm a 50 yard claudicant, which gets me enough points for the minimum mobility benefit. And they've promised to contact my GP, AND they've put my complaint in writing. Ho-hum, let's see what happens this time.

    C'mon TC, let us know all is well...or, to put it another way, all is as it fucking should be. And to think we used to say "Thatcher's Britain" like it couldn't possibly get worse. Fuckers.
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

    Put in a request for a recording of the conversation. You can do it for CCTV so you should be able to do it for phone calls. Unless they don't record them, which I doubt.
     
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  29. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Cheers. Will do.
     
  30. xenon

    xenon Carne Por la Machina

    I hope this went okay for you mate and yourself. If you have to, always appealed.
     
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