Help me work out the time sig for this snippet?

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  1. xenon

    xenon Sweep and cut

    If any of you musically knowledgable folk could give this a listen and have a guess, I'd be grateful. It's short, 40 seconds or so and just a rough and ready recording. SO my actual playing timing isn't perfect...

    I'm a bit stuck. I think weirdly, it's between 5/4 and 6/4. It's only important so far as I'd like it to line up with defined measures for recording if possible.

    Dropbox - snippet 01.mp3
  2. 8115

    8115 sitting down is bad for you

    I'm not musically knowledgeable but I think it may be syncopated which is what is making it tricky.
  3. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    6/4 I think - the sequence is on sixes.
  4. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    I make it 4/4.
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  5. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It's that too! But the guitar bit is doing a sequence of six.
  6. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women


    Accents in guitar pattern over four bars* are:

    X x x X x x X x x X x x X x X x


    |X x x X | x x X x | x X x x | X x X x|X x x X | x x X x | x X x x | X x X x etc

    *That might be me counting in half time, in which case eight bars.
  7. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    I see.... I do reckon if it's possible to transcribe something as 4/4 then it makes everything simpler though, for eg programming drums... and this definitely works as 4/4
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  8. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    4/4 - id describe it as having 2 accented half beats on 1 and 3 |OOooOOoo|OOooOOoo|(well thats what it sounds like when i tap out with my hands) a proper drummer will probably be along to explain better.
  9. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women

    No, its repeating a sequence of sixteen, but subdivided into 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 to create the syncopation.

    Treat the notes as 8ths or 16ths and it'll line up perfectly with a standard 4/4 backbeat or similar. I think rutabowa's got it anyway!
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  10. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    Yeh listening to it again I am sure it is just plain 4/4. It repeats every 16 bars too so that is standard.
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  11. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    This is the same rhythm as the chorus of Good Day Sunshine by the Beatles. Some other tune that's on the tip of my tongue too... Maybe Dave Brubeck?
  12. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Actually, it's just double time bossa nova. 6,6,4 rather than 3,3,2
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  13. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    Its 4/4!!
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  14. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women

    Yes. And Crispy's right too. 3+3+2=8. 6+6+4=16. You're cool.

    It's a very common pattern in a million and one other things/genres. There are so many examples of this in (mostly terrible) cheesy metal guitar riffs for a start, e.g.:

    The ancient guitar track of mine I played crispy years ago (if he remembers) was based on the same rhythmic idea.

    The opening riffs for these two...

    ... and I'm not even going to think about techno/DnB etc.!

    Are you using this or going somewhere with it, out of nosiness interest?

    (personally, I like it when people lose the groups of two or four at the end of patterns and go for proper polyrhythms with odd cycles. Buggered if I can think of a good example now I want one though :/ )
  15. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    Rebetika, try counting along with that and it twists your mind.
  16. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    For that sort of thing you totally can go for Brubeck :)

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  17. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It least it's not bloody 5/4. The band I'm in have a 5/4 song and it's a bugger to play.

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  18. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women

    Thanks, will have a listen after food :)
  19. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Whatever it is, I'm against it

    You could call it 4 bars of 3/4 and a bar of 4/4, simillar to Radiohead's Pyramid song. So called because a pyramid has four sides with three vertices and a base with four vertices.
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  20. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    It's just 4/4. Nothing esoteric.
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  21. xenon

    xenon Sweep and cut

    Ha. Thanks all. It was alright until I tried to set and play it against a metronome.

    I like those songs... :(

    Heh, it is probably going to go a bit metal, stuttery rhythem in the middle, I've not worked it all out just yet. Wanted to get the basic drum track, / click track right so I can throw stuff at it. I should experiment with different time signatured though, you're right. Thank god for step sequencers...
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  22. colacubes

    colacubes Well-Known Member


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