Hello from the Pearl Jam concert at the O2
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It was quite good at the time. I'm just amazed they still exist
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I only saw two Gomez songs. They seemed OK.
It's funny, isn't it, the way that it isn't enough for some people to not like some music? They have to try to persuade everybody else not to like it either. Especially ironic, actually, when they probably haven't really listened to anything produced by the band in question for 10 or 15 years.
Pearl Jam's last... ooh... five albums have not been stuff to listen to lightly and casually. They're complex, contrapuntal, polyphonous affairs that make astonishing use of disonance and asonance, tension and resolution, tonal expression. They blend Vedder's guitar-like voice with McCready's voice-like guitar. I know that the first time I listen to one of their albums, I probably won't like it either. I also know that after five listens, it will be embedded in my soul and it will move me like no other music does. Not to mention that I really think that McCready might genuinely be the greatest guitarist of them all.
But hey, don't let that bother you. Just go on writing-off that which you have no clue about because it makes you feel better.
It's funny, isn't it, the way that it isn't enough for some people to not like some music? They have to try to persuade everybody else not to like it either. Especially ironic, actually, when they probably haven't really listened to anything produced by the band in question for 10 or 15 years.
Pearl Jam's last... ooh... five albums have not been stuff to listen to lightly and casually. They're complex, contrapuntal, polyphonous affairs that make astonishing use of disonance and asonance, tension and resolution, tonal expression. They blend Vedder's guitar-like voice with McCready's voice-like guitar. I know that the first time I listen to one of their albums, I probably won't like it either. I also know that after five listens, it will be embedded in my soul and it will move me like no other music does. Not to mention that I really think that McCready might genuinely be the greatest guitarist of them all.
But hey, don't let that bother you. Just go on writing-off that which you have no clue about because it makes you feel better.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
this is a music forum, where people give their opinions about music. and i don't think anyone is trying to persuade other people not to like pearl jam. although they should be, cos they are really lame. (i know this because i saw coverage of them live from reading (i think?) last year so i'm well up to date with them 
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kained&able
Here for the football.
I loved ten and yield but almost everything else they have ever done is more then a bit shite.
dave
dave
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Anyway: 165 original songs in their back catalogue to choose from, 20 000 fans who know every word to every song in the arena, a 2hr 45min set that ran the gamut of songs from their first album 20 years ago to their new album out in a few months and a set of six musicians that are at the very peak of their profession as performers. Personally, I thought it was about as good an experience as it is possible to get.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Opinions from a position of ignorance are worthless. And opinions that form nothing more than personal preference are dull.
I must say, I was at my mate's house recently, and they were playing some later pearl jam stuff, and it was vastly superior to the stadium-rock-pretending-to-be-grunge which made them famous. It was almost garagey and raw.
kained&able
Here for the football.
did they do any temple of the dog stuff though?
That was the best album that involved pearl jam.
dave
That was the best album that involved pearl jam.
dave
oh grow a pair. People have ripped the piss out of music in these forums since they existed. If they didn't, it'd be a very bland place indeed.
"I like the new XX album."
"well, it's not to my taste but I'm glad you're enjoying it"
<end of thread>
I get the shit ripped out of some of the stuff i like all the time, and take it in good spirit.
Get over yourself.
so why post in the music or books etc forum at all, since unless you want a simple exchange of tour dates and album titles, opinion is what you're going to get.
as for the "position of ignorance" jibe - I saw their first London show, have seen them since and not only once owned Ten but have done a reasonable job of listening to their stuff over the years - I like my opinions to be reasonably well-informed.
And it's my reasonably well-informed opinion that it's overwrought faux-earnest wank performed by a bunch of hairy midgets.
And it's my reasonably well-informed opinion that it's overwrought faux-earnest wank performed by a bunch of hairy midgets.
what's ignorant about saying you don't like a band after hearing some of their stuff?
kained&able
Here for the football.
well informed but fake non mainstream posturing if you ask me.
with your blooming shllec albums and your hatred of anything good
you make me sick.
dave
with your blooming shllec albums and your hatred of anything good
you make me sick.
dave
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I just started a thread because I was actually in the arena, I was excited and I thought I'd share that excitement. How silly of me!
tremendous selective quoting there, kabbes. Very poor show..
kained&able
Here for the football.
which is why perl jam are shit! i demand more grunge rasther then the cod neil young stuff of latter years.
dave
that's fine - i've done much the same. People will agree, or disagree. That's fine, it's how the forum functions and there's no malice in it. As I've already pointed out, the alternative would be very dull indeed.
that said, if I was at a concert I was excited about, the last thing I'd be doing is posting on the net
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Kabbes. You're arguing with people who think Girls Aloud are the pinnacle of musical achievement. i wouldn't bother.
As far as the show went, was the whole gig seating only? That sucks if so. I know they got freaked when some kids died in the pit at roskilde. No fault of theirs as far as i know but it would be shame if thats led to seating only shows.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
No, it's true. They are a bunch of hairy midgets. Except Mike McCready, who is a balding non-midget. And Stone Gossard, who is a skinny rake.
They are not a good-looking band. Fortunately, I don't judge music by what the musicians look like. I leave that to the Girls Aloud fans.
a robust response is fine, a suggestion that in some way criticism itself is unfair or unecessary isn't.
It's awfully simple.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Oh no, the floor was all standing. It was hairy at one point though -- Eddie had to stop and ask everybody to take three paces backwards. Which was an awesome sight from up in the gods, where I was.
Which - and this is a sincere point - must be a horrible situation for him to be in after Roskilde. The band must really live in fear of any crowd situations getting out of hand again.
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