Heath Ledger found dead

[Yuwipi Woman]

It does seem odd, but maybe there's a reasonable explanation for it: he had a condition that we don't know about (well, we, who didn't know the man personally, don't know about it; maybe his family did) or he had more than one doctor and didn't think to keep them properly informed about which other medications he was taking.

I'd go for the "he had more than one doctor prescribing meds" theory. That's reasonable.

And lets face it, if you have money, you can get a prescription for anything you want.

 

[Wookey]

I'd go for the "he had more than one doctor prescribing meds" theory. That's reasonable.

And lets face it, if you have money, you can get a prescription for anything you want.

That was the conclusion we came to at me mum's.

 

[8ball]

And lets face it, if you have money, you can get a prescription for anything you want.

Yep, that was my theory too.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

the newer class of antidepressants generally won't kill you from a major overdose.

I know: MAO inhibitors aren't that common anymore.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

The other thing about american prescriptions (and correct me if I am worng) is that pharmasutical companies are allowed to advertse their meds aggressivly to the general pulic and doctors. I think (and plase correct me) that sometimse surgeries are aggresicvley advertised to. A mug here, and mouse pad there with drug of choice on, and said drug sticks in doctors brain adn gets prescribed more. Horrible tactic.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The other thing about american prescriptions (and correct me if I am worng) is that pharmasutical companies are allowed to advertse their meds aggressivly to the general pulic and doctors. I think (and plase correct me) that sometimse surgeries are aggresicvley advertised to. A mug here, and mouse pad there with drug of choice on, and said drug sticks in doctors brain adn gets prescribed more. Horrible tactic.

One of the reasons that healthcare costs are out of control.

 

[kerb]

The other thing about american prescriptions (and correct me if I am worng) is that pharmasutical companies are allowed to advertse their meds aggressivly to the general pulic and doctors. I think (and plase correct me) that sometimse surgeries are aggresicvley advertised to. A mug here, and mouse pad there with drug of choice on, and said drug sticks in doctors brain adn gets prescribed more. Horrible tactic.

after reading your post i just thought of those scenes from 'requiem for a dream' where the mother goes to the doctors and he gives her diet pills. He just looked at the clipboard and didnt look at her once, asking questions robotically... i remember when i watched it i thought he might have been an "agent" of the pharmasutical world

 

[Vixiha]

Even so, there are a lot of people taking antidepressants out there; usually, they don't die.

Regardless, it doesn't appear to be a deliberate suicide and, even if it was, it wouldn't diminish the sorrow over his death. If anything, it might add to the degree of regret and sympathy for his family and friends.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Regardless, it doesn't appear to be a deliberate suicide and, even if it was, it wouldn't diminish the sorrow over his death. If anything, it might add to the degree of regret and sympathy for his family and friends.

No doubt, but I can't see any reason to somehow sugar coat the facts of his life, nor of his death. Most celebrities don't get such a free ride: why should he?

 

[scifisam]

No doubt, but I can't see any reason to somehow sugar coat the facts of his life, nor of his death. Most celebrities don't get such a free ride: why should he?

How is going with the report of the autopsy 'sugar-coating' someone's death?

 

[MightyAphrodite]

How is going with the report of the autopsy 'sugar-coating' someone's death?

its not...and how is he getting a free ride?

hes dead, i think that more than pays for whatever debt his 'ride' (???!!!) should be.

i wish theyd close this thread.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

How is going with the report of the autopsy 'sugar-coating' someone's death?

The networks pulled back from showing the 'drugs' video, for example.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

For comparison purposes, think of the death of Anna Nicole Smith.

 

[Vixiha]

No doubt, but I can't see any reason to somehow sugar coat the facts of his life, nor of his death. Most celebrities don't get such a free ride: why should he?

I don't see any reason to sugar coat anything either but neither do I see a reason to state matter-of-fact that it was a deliberate suicide when the medical examiner says otherwise.

I don't see that he's getting a free ride at all; there are all sorts of terrible things being said about him. This thread is a good example.

The guy died and suddenly the tabloids break out videos of him supposedly acting nervous or admitting he used to smoke a lot of pot. I understand it's how tabloid shows make money but, what's the point? Other than to capitalize on his death, of course.

The networks pulled back from showing the 'drugs' video, for example.

Ha! They claim to pull it out of respect for the man and his family but, not before talking about it, of course. It's not as if they actually cancelled a pre-planned program; they were only going to play it for ratings until they realized they could still make money while pretending to be sensitive.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The guy died and suddenly the tabloids break out videos of him supposedly acting nervous or admitting he used to smoke a lot of pot. I understand it's how tabloid shows make money but, what's the point? Other than to capitalize on his death, of course.Ha! They claim to pull it out of respect for the man and his family but, not before talking about it, of course. It's not as if they actually cancelled a pre-planned program; they were only going to play it for ratings until they realized they could still make money while pretending to be sensitive.

The videos didn't run on the major media; mostly on the internet.

They weren't so circumspect when Anna Nicole Smith died. Maybe as a blonde woman, she was less deserving of respect than a 'serious male actor'.

 

[Vixiha]

The videos didn't run on the major media; mostly on the internet.

They weren't so circumspect when Anna Nicole Smith died. Maybe as a blonde woman, she was less deserving of respect than a 'serious male actor'.

I was just as disgusted by that display. Vultures is all that comes to mind there.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They claim to pull it out of respect for the man and his family but, not before talking about it, of course. It's not as if they actually cancelled a pre-planned program; they were only going to play it for ratings until they realized they could still make money while pretending to be sensitive.

The reason they pulled the video, was that there was a barrage of calls from agents saying that their clients wouldn't do any more interviews if it was aired.

Once again, where was that solidarity when Anna Nicole Smith died?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I was just as disgusted by that display. Vultures is all that comes to mind there.

I agree that it's disgusting, but it pisses me off when they tread more lightly with someone like Heath Ledger, because he was 'serious'.

He was an actor who made big money from being a celebrity, just like the rest of them.

 

[MightyAphrodite]

anna nicole smith was a trainwreck, did you ever see her reality show, it WAS just as badly sensationalised etc yeah, agreed....

but i dont compare the 2.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

anna nicole smith was a trainwreck, did you ever see her reality show, it WAS just as badly sensationalised etc yeah, agreed....

but i dont compare the 2.

From what little we heard about Ledger, it doesn't sound like his life was a bed of roses either, but it's being suppressed, unlike Smith, where they threw it all on the floor for us to gorge on.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The reason they pulled the video, was that there was a barrage of calls from agents saying that their clients wouldn't do any more interviews if it was aired.

Once again, where was that solidarity when Anna Nicole Smith died?

The ridicule and prurience started before she died, too.

 

[MightyAphrodite]

The ridicule and prurience started before she died, too.

yeah.

From what little we heard about Ledger, it doesn't sound like his life was a bed of roses either, but it's being suppressed, unlike Smith, where they threw it all on the floor for us to gorge on.

actually SHE was pretty open about what her life was like, when she was alive, dont you think?

no ones life is a bed of roses i dont suppose.

 

[Vixiha]

The reason they pulled the video, was that there was a barrage of calls from agents saying that their clients wouldn't do any more interviews if it was aired.

Once again, where was that solidarity when Anna Nicole Smith died?

Selective loyalty. Anna Nicole was famous for being an easy target for public ridicule; she never made it to the "inner circle".

I hated her show; it made her look like such a fool. Regardless of her lack of intellect or talent, nobody should be looked upon that way.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The ridicule and prurience started before she died, too.

Think about the 'trainwreck actors' that we get in the media. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, that britsh singer, you know 'rehab', anna nicole, Britney etc.

Funny how we don't get big daily headline splashes about the male trainwrecks. I'd be surprised if at least some of those hollywood male actors don't mess up from time to time.

Of course, it's happened. Look at Robert Downey, Charlie Sheen. But the number of females reported is many times that of males. There is always a female hollywood fuckup in the news.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Selective loyalty. Anna Nicole was famous for being an easy target for public ridicule; she never made it to the "inner circle".

I hated her show; it made her look like such a fool. Regardless of her lack of intellect or talent, nobody should be looked upon that way.

No, I was never convinced that the fact that she was a "willing" participant to her being ridiculed for being fucked up on drink and drugs really made it any better. You know, given that she was fucked up on drink and drugs at the time.

Pretty much par for the course for E! mind you.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Think about the 'trainwreck actors' that we get in the media. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, that britsh singer, you know 'rehab', anna nicole, Britney etc.

Funny how we don't get big daily headline splashes about the male trainwrecks. I'd be surprised if at least some of those hollywood male actors don't mess up from time to time.

Of course, it's happened. Look at Robert Downey, Charlie Sheen. But the number of females reported is many times that of males. There is always a female hollywood fuckup in the news.

Male stars rarely have a "clean" image beforehand, but mind you, that in itself isn't accidental. Men don't need to.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Male stars rarely have a "clean" image beforehand, but mind you, that in itself isn't accidental. Men don't need to.

Que?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Que?

Male media personalities have much more leeway as to acceptable public images. They don't have to be either squeaky clean or sluts.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Male media personalities have much more leeway as to acceptable public images. They don't have to be either squeaky clean or sluts.

I think that's true, and that's why it's deemed 'inappropriate' for the media to go on about Ledger's drug use etc, because hey: boys will be boys.

But if it had been Heather Ledger, look out.