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Heat...

the shootout is great

i like the relationship between al pacino and his wife

i also liked robert de niro dealing with his underlings, and him and val kilmer acting together

it should have been a lot shorter tho, the bit after the shootout where pacino is chasing de niro is so fucking over the top and pointless it's not even funny
 
What the fuck, it's great! Yeh, bloated, pretentious, cliched, simplistic, whatever.... WHO CARES, it's Heat, it's fucking epic, and engages far better than lots of crappy action flicks.

Flawed, perhaps, but.... crap? Some of youse are cynical beyond all belief! :p
 
It's been too long since I saw it. All I remember is something like an armoured car being taken out with a bazooka or rpg, and a running gunfight in the streets of LA. Both scenes were pretty good, far as I can recall.
 
So you you don't remember the Pacino/De Niro face-off in the coffee shop then? The central scene in the movie (do you actually call films 'movies' - you're not just making this up for my amusement? I think that's great).

Come on, you must. If it helps, you were wearing your red jumper.
 
Hi-ASL said:
So you you don't remember the Pacino/De Niro face-off in the coffee shop then? The central scene in the movie (do you actually call films 'movies' - you're not just making this up for my amusement? I think that's great).

Come on, you must. If it helps, you were wearing your red jumper.
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Why on earth would I want to amuse you? We do indeed call them 'movies'. I'm sure it sounds odd to the foreign listener, conjuring up images of the celluloid passing through the old arc lamp projector, with Mac Sennet cavorting on the screen, but to us, the word has transcended all that, and is a generic term for artistic or less than artistic visual works recorded on media, played back in real time, taking anywhere from 90 minutes to....who knows, the sky is the limit.
 
I know, I know, I know.

But it's just so hilariously... literal.

I mean, I like it, it's nice you know? Quaint.

Have I distracted you?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
From what? Thoughts of a higher plane?
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From ludicrous assertions about angels being as real as the hair on my head.

I was going to say something about how you don't hire De Niro to star opposite Pacino and then expect your film to stay plot-focussed. Maybe it would have been better to hire an anonymous cast and spend the savings on a decent editor but, if they had, would anybody bother starting a thread 15 years after the film's release to criticise the results? I think not.

It's a memorable film.
 
You always get really confrontational when you're drunk. Just for fun, imagine me with crossed arms and a stern expression when I say that.

Do you think the world will ever get along, or will we always be just a bunch of savage, militaristic tribes competing for ever-dwindling resources.

What's the prize for your aggression here, do you think?
 
I can't stand the Heat. Pretentious, overblown. I've got no problem with ambivalent depictions of criminals, but it's so clumsy in Heat. I really resented the implication that I was supposed to be pleased when Val Kilmer got away. Ugh.
 
I enjoyed it when it first came out 96?

I turned it on last night, and turned it straight off after a couple of minutes. Found something more interesting to do. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, it's dreadful - fabled Bob/Al scene comes 20 years too late. Do they actually share screen time in that scene?

But then what did the OP expect from a film with Val Kilmer in?
 
Fedayn said:
LA Takedown is far far better.
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LA Takedown IS better!

I saw Heat at the cinema and was very disapointed, however, I watched it with my 11yr old recently (he's going through a DeNiro/Pacino thing at the moment), and it was better than I'd remembered.

The end is rubbish, the DeNiro/Pacino screentime is way over-rated, Michael Mann is nowhere near as good as he is made out to be (although I believe that the first series of Crime Story was fantastic and way ahead of its time), and Val Kilmer's character is crap.

I'm finding that watching films with my son is making me a little more forgiving.
 
I vaguely remember lots of critics twatting themselves about this filum when it first came out. Watched it a couple of months ago and enjoyed it. Anyone who says it is crap just didnt get it (:D) Anyone who says it is anything close to a work of genius (as some where close to saying at cinema time....) is an unparalelled fuckwit.

Whoever said the shootout scene was great was right. Aparently Andy McNab of SAS/Bravo Two Zero fame was a technical consultant on this. I remember an interview where he was speaking about it, saying that armed robbers who are facing life w/no parole would be going mental shooting at anything that might get in their way at some point, and coppers, who just finished their last donut before getting called to the shootout, would be thinking "fuck this, I'll get a few shots off, but no way am I taking on these psychos in a meaningful way, not on my salary,,,,"
 
Hi-ASL said:
You always get really confrontational when you're drunk. Just for fun, imagine me with crossed arms and a stern expression when I say that.

Do you think the world will ever get along, or will we always be just a bunch of savage, militaristic tribes competing for ever-dwindling resources.

What's the prize for your aggression here, do you think?
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My first post on the thread, and your reply:
02-11-2008, 00:47
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It's been too long since I saw it. All I remember is something like an armoured car being taken out with a bazooka or rpg, and a running gunfight in the streets of LA. Both scenes were pretty good, far as I can recall.
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Old 02-11-2008, 00:55
Hi-ASL Hi-ASL is offline
get a brian, morans


So you you don't remember the Pacino/De Niro face-off in the coffee shop then? The central scene in the movie (do you actually call films 'movies' - you're not just making this up for my amusement? I think that's great).

Come on, you must. If it helps, you were wearing your red jumper.
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Aggression is something I reserve for those who have brought it on themselves, invited it, as it were, by being the first to employ it.:)
 
The gun battle is boring, did you say?!

No way.

The film isn't particulary brilliant, but it's redemmed - in my eyes - by the central gun battle.

It's just so fucking LOUD!


Which is how I would imagine a gun battle with semi-automatics in an urban area to be like

Apparently Andy McNab was a special adviser for that part of the film
 
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