Have your say on new Catholic school on site of Lambeth College.

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by Gramsci, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Saw this article in Brixton Blog about the proposed "Free School" on part of the site of Lambeth College site on Brixton Hill. A much smaller Lambeth College will be built on the site.

    This was mentioned on the Brixton gossip thread last month I think. So thought it might interest posters to have a thread on it.

    The College has been under threat for a while.

    Trinity School website.

    As BB article says the consultation has started "quietly". I thought I would help Trinity Academy out. :p.

    The survey linked on the BB article is here.

    I would urge posters to fill it in. It asks specifically if u support the proposed schools "ethos" which is "Catholic ethos".

    I have heard this will not be official Roman Catholic school as the local Diocese is not officially supporting it. Probably why they go on about "Catholic ethos". Whatever that is.

    A statement by Lambeth UCU and Unison here

    I am going to say I do not want a school on this site where it takes away provision from Lambeth College ( which will have much reduced premises).

    Also I do not agree with a school that has a "Catholic ethos". As London is multicultural I think new schools should be non denominational.

    Brixton Blog
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2014
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  2. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    :mad: Schools should be for all kids, not just for those whose parents are church goers.
  3. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Agreed, but in this case being Catholic does not get you in. And surprisingly a third of places are reserved for 'pupil premium' children.

    The 'Catholic ethos' is worrying though - there is a public meeting 12 Feb and Mrs Winot will be trying to quiz them on their attitude to sex education, abortion, gay rights etc.
  4. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    I understand that, even though the school may be sited in Brixton, a proportion of kids who live around Clapham Common will get priority access to places. I tihnk this is to do with the fact that some of the parents wanting to set up the free school live in Clapham. Do you know if this is the case Winot ?

    The whole free school thing is fucked, btw :(

    (Winot - Do please remind us about the 12 Feb meeting a bit nearer the time :) )
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  5. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Yes, that's correct, at least for the Sep 2014 intake. More from leanderman here:

    The admissions policy was established before they got the BH site, and so a notional point needed to be picked for the distance criterion. Unsurprisingly, it was close to where all the founders live. Now they have a site, there is a certain sense in retaining the original point, as there will have been parents who applied on that basis. It makes no sense however (imo) to retain two distance points for future years. This will be another question for the meeting.

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  6. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Will try to remember! There's a meeting on 27 January too - details here.
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  7. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    My understanding is that they will be able to get away with two distance points in future years.

    Other schools - even non-free schools - have been allowed to use multiple catchments.

    Almost everything about this school is wrong.

    Places being reserved for founders' kids is especially egregious.
  8. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    You don't need to go the meeting. Anyone can respond to the consultation online and say what they think

    It seems the consultation is being run by a third party. So your views might matter

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  9. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Radical Thornton Ward councillor Ed Davie has written to the SLP on the issue. "Bleeding Resources from our Schools" is the headline (which might be SLP editorial). Cllr Davie is a Labour back bencher. He gave a passionate denunciation of Boris's winding up of the Police Consultative process and deaths in custody at the Fridge consultation meeting a year ago. I was quite taken aback - as was Dame Tessa. The MOPAC* bastards on the stage didn't bat an eyelid though.

    * Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime
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  10. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    i'm a bit confused because I keep getting emails from the save the college people as if they are winning/ there is still something to fight for, but in the world outside their emails it seems like a done deal.
  11. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    Part of the site is to be preserved for the college.

    Which makes you wonder how they will fit everything in
  12. Balbi

    Balbi Hey, Dean Yager!

    It's going to spanner up funding, two schools where only one slightly large one is needed means a division of students and the pupil premium spread thing against building running costs etc.
  13. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    Just one school.
  14. Balbi

    Balbi Hey, Dean Yager!

    No. There's already a Catholic school in Lambeth, one the diocese supports.
  15. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Don't understand what you mean. What is the connection between the new school and the existing Catholic school?
  16. Balbi

    Balbi Hey, Dean Yager!

    Both are appealing to the same demographic of parents, which means two schools at 50% capacity. Given the demographics imply we'll need an extra class in two years for most schools to deal with the baby bump, it doesn't make sense.
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  17. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    As the parents who are trying to set up a "Free School" with a "Catholic ethos" I would have thought that they would have made sure they had the support of the local diocese of the Catholic Church In order to make sure they would not be in competition with existing Catholic provision of education in Lambeth/ Brixton.
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  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Front page of Brixton edition of SLP last Friday says that the possibility of putting two other "Free Schools" on the site as well as Trinity. One a free school for autistic children and the other a bilingual Spanish/ English school.

    How this will be done and have Lambeth College onsite I do not know.

    DfE quoted in SLP as saying they are supporting Trinity School on the Brixton Hill site and looking at the other two. To be confirmed or not later.
  19. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    Trinity can't get the official support of the Roman Catholic church because the RC church does not support free schools.

    This is because free schools are either i) not allowed to allocate places on the basis of faith or ii) cannot allocate the bulk of places on the basis of faith.

    The objection is not to the idea of free schools but to the fact they can't dominate the admissions - and guarantee full pews on a Sunday.
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  20. nagapie

    nagapie Well-Known Member

    There is a massive shortage of places for children with ASD in Lambeth. Of course it shouldn't have to be a free school.
  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The SLP article says that Cllr Rachel Heywood has been working with the "Vanguard" free school proposals for a school for autistic children. But she is concerned about trying to put several different schools on one site.

    Is autism a broad term? From the little I know autistic children differ. Some are high functioning, as its put, and some have more severe autism. Some have high abilities in one area but autistic people all differ. Was wondering about the benefits of having a specialized school for autistic children.

    Is there argument about whether they should be separated from other school children or that schools should be funded to enable autistic children to learn in mainstream schools?
  22. nagapie

    nagapie Well-Known Member

    Autism is a spectrum, so yes, some are high functioning and some more severe. My understanding is that there is a lack of placements for children on the less severe side, those who need special intervention but who could be partially or even, eventually, fully integrated into mainstream schooling. There are already special schools in Lambeth and I'm not sure what their capacity is but they have recently gone, or are going through, a re-organisation to make them more suited to specific special needs and specialisms; one of them most certainly will be a school for students with ASD.
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  23. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    By some estimates, the site is a quarter of the size of equivalent schools.
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  24. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Is it empty? :hmm:

  25. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

  26. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    This argument has been going on for many years. There is an organisation in the Lambeth Accord building dedicated to "inclusive education" (that is educating all types of pupil in main stream schools).
    On the other had when the Lambeth coalition council (Lab/Lib/Tory) of 1994-8 closed down some special schools there were major protests.

    Vanguard are doing consultation on the net http://www.autism.org.uk/our-servic...s-and-academies/nas-vanguard-free-school.aspx
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  27. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    The website is a bit confusing - the events page I linked to above is actually for a "Meet the headteacher" event which is on the same day as th consultation meeting but at a different time.

    Consultation meeting details are here:

  28. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    My reply to the consultation got a personal response from the school's founder, asking me to elaborate on my concerns.

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  29. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

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  30. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Bump - this is tonight:

    Wednesday 12th February 7.00pm to 9.00pm in the Boardroom, Lambeth College Clapham Centre, 45 Clapham Common Southside, London SW4 9BL

    Brixton Hatter

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