Have the US no culture at all?
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Johnny Canuck3
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While you're at it, ask the British where the Elgin Marbles came from.
All the Bewailing about how American Culture is invading everywhere, yet it is inevidable.
All America All the time!!!!
Yea Baby !!!!
The "bewailing" is even American
The Whole "protest culture" is AMERICAN
The way on which we are talking is an America invention.
eventually, most of you ( or your children) will become citizens of the United States of The World!!!!!!
To ask "have the US no culture at all?" is grossely nieve.
You are immersed in it.
What is more accurate is to ask "What culture is Not American (or heavily influenced by The United States Of America)?"
Mebbe undiscovered islanders in the south pacific.....????
But then it would be Americans that would be discovering them to find out....
Nationalism is an American invention
The belief that all citizens of your country are as your brother is an American invention (American Masons but it still works)
The Entire world follows us.
All the War protesting is uniquely AMERICAN
Organized Protesting of the government is an AMERICAN invention.
How long would political protesters have lasted out side the gates of king Henry the 8ths house before being put to the lance?
All of this carrying on that so many do here is a Practice that is truly American in origin.
Sorry, you cant just help it.
oh and Speaking to the original post,
It is Hard to find a place in Iraq that does not have any ancient historical significance.
All the Vast attention paid to being Nice to the Iraqis is very deliberate.
Many men have died and Hundreds of Millions of dollars spent in the effort
To minimize "collateral" damage to People and Places in Iraq.
This latest complaint is just another weak attempt at undermining the war effort.
When we shake off all the forbearance that we have been practicing in the War on Terror this conflict will Quickly end.
What causes the long hemmoraging to continue is the protesting itself
It is the Protesting that motivates the assholes that setoff the Car bombs.
If you didnt know.
All America All the time!!!!
Yea Baby !!!!
The "bewailing" is even American
The Whole "protest culture" is AMERICAN
The way on which we are talking is an America invention.
eventually, most of you ( or your children) will become citizens of the United States of The World!!!!!!
To ask "have the US no culture at all?" is grossely nieve.
You are immersed in it.
What is more accurate is to ask "What culture is Not American (or heavily influenced by The United States Of America)?"
Mebbe undiscovered islanders in the south pacific.....????
But then it would be Americans that would be discovering them to find out....
Nationalism is an American invention
The belief that all citizens of your country are as your brother is an American invention (American Masons but it still works)
The Entire world follows us.
All the War protesting is uniquely AMERICAN
Organized Protesting of the government is an AMERICAN invention.
How long would political protesters have lasted out side the gates of king Henry the 8ths house before being put to the lance?
All of this carrying on that so many do here is a Practice that is truly American in origin.
Sorry, you cant just help it.
oh and Speaking to the original post,
It is Hard to find a place in Iraq that does not have any ancient historical significance.
All the Vast attention paid to being Nice to the Iraqis is very deliberate.
Many men have died and Hundreds of Millions of dollars spent in the effort
To minimize "collateral" damage to People and Places in Iraq.
This latest complaint is just another weak attempt at undermining the war effort.
When we shake off all the forbearance that we have been practicing in the War on Terror this conflict will Quickly end.
What causes the long hemmoraging to continue is the protesting itself
It is the Protesting that motivates the assholes that setoff the Car bombs.
If you didnt know.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
BootyLove said:Yeah but Mears is just showing us what he's proud of with regards his own country.
Plenty of good stuff but all he can come up withh are greasy shitcakes and sugary water, no style over no substance...
Did I say say I was proud of it? Just stating the facts.
BootyLove said:oh well...
I never said the UK wasn't. Wafer thin biscuit?
We're trashing the nastier parts of your culture not the good stuff - it was mears who brought up (like most people often doMcDonalds and Coke.
And yeah the vast majority of your films are pants.
Just out of curiosity what countries are making the good films these days in your opinion?
mears said:
Well India has had the worlds most popular and successful film industry for the last few years.
Out of personal preference, I'd say India, too. However, over the course of the last year or so I've seen films from the UK, France, Australia and Spain that I'd readily watch again. All available in cinemas in UK cities. How many films from these countries do you actually get to see in the US? Maybe a few spanish language ones in the areas with large Spanish speaking populations, but apart from that, very little choice on offer indeed, from what I've seen whilst in the US
Don't mean to have a go at the US. Onced upon a time, particularly when I was a kid, Hollywood used to produce loads of good films. The only one I've seen recently that I could recommend to anyone has been Brokeback Mountain, but that was filmed in canada for practically its entireity (with US $$). Hollywood gave up on the idea of making 'good films' some time ago, in favour of making films that were just going to make money
bfg said:
There are small cinemas that do show many foreign language films in the states, naturally bigger cities have more variety. I like German war movies myself, Das Boot, Stalingrad and Downfall (which came out last year) were excellent movies. Also Goodbye Lenin was quite good
As far as Hollywood blockbusters go, most seem overly concerned with big explosions and cool computer generated graphics. But there are always exceptions. I think some good movies last year were Munich, Walk the Line and Good Night and Good Luck, political disagreements with Clooney and Spielberg notwithstanding.
Johnny Canuck3
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mears said:
Not in western canada at least. But I've eaten there when travelling in the States.
The fried onions are pretty good.
hungry 4 kicks
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jiggajagga said:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4908940.stm
"US forces built a helicopter pad on the ancient ruins and filled their sandbags with archaeological material in the months following the 2003 invasion."
"Babylon's Hanging Gardens were among the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World."
Go on Yanks! Go the whole hog and build a McNasty there eh!
Crass, bullying simplistic people. FFS!
If I were an American citizen ( and thank God I'm not) I'd be ashamed to be American these days.
Get that freaking animal out of the whitehouse ffs!
I bet he's thinking " I wonder if there's oil under the pyramids?
Well I'm quite ashamed for being British too....our bombs and efforts (and tax money) has contributed to the trashing (excuse the americanism) of Iraq....
In the heat of your hatred don't forget that America is not a monolith....it's very large, liberal and culutrally rich....there's lots of good in there too.....
But in terms of the governmnet....every US president will want to maintain their power - which is based on military might .....so sadly, their military intentions will continue I reckon....
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Proof? Oh, I forget: that's the reason you ignore me.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
mears said:
Gee, thanks. But it didn't come without strings - did it? European countries weren't allowed to choose their own governments without prior approval of Washington. Just ask the Greeks and the Italians what Lend Lease and the Marshall Plan actually did for them.
mears said:
People are not worried about non-cultural influence of the non-culture of the products you mention. They are worried about the impact on their health of your "culture" of US fattening non-food rubbish.
And McDonals is not that prelavent either. They have (GB) Quick which is of far better quality too and which is a Belgian Made "hamburger" chain. You even have Quick in the MENA too, just like McDonalds halal..
And so sorry to correct you, but "US shows" are not on "most channels" in Belgium, they are on the pulp (the private) channel inBelgium. So sorry to bring you the additional news that US Made "shows" are largely overruled by (mostly excellent) UK Made and some of the most popular Australian. And so sorry to tell you that the Belgian TV has excellent home made "shows" itself. So does the film industry, which is very modest, but very good. (includes a few oscar nominations if I am not mistaken in the last 10 years or so)
Why do kids and adults play football (= the real thing, not what the US made of it, chich is more bull-fighting then anything else) popular all over the world?
Why would such an agressive invasion of US Made non-culture not invade France, where every other non-culture of the USA invaded Europe and from there the rest of the world post WW II?
I don't even know what you talk about.
He has a very agressive and very skilled PR machinery behind him (and people love scandal and controversy.)
Personally I have no clue about his music. Don't think I ever heard one bit of it.
If all you named here is "US culture" then you have a very weird idea about and culture and kingdom.
salaam.
About the US Barbarians in Iraq:
Babylon is not the only historical site they vandalise and destroy.
They stampede around like elephants in a porcelain shop (and that is an insult to the elephants on this globe. An elephant is a very careful animal)
I don't want to even THINK about it. Every historian on this globe is sickened by it.
But remember the outcry of US'er about the deluded Taliban destroying the Buddha statues? (Last thing I heard about it is that they are under restauration)
Why do you think the US media reacted like that on two culturally significant and irreplacable statues in Afghanistan while nobody cares about even much more valuable, much more unique sites being destroyed by the USA in Iraq?
The typical hypocrisy and double standards of US barbarians surfacing again.
salaam.
Babylon is not the only historical site they vandalise and destroy.
They stampede around like elephants in a porcelain shop (and that is an insult to the elephants on this globe. An elephant is a very careful animal)
I don't want to even THINK about it. Every historian on this globe is sickened by it.
But remember the outcry of US'er about the deluded Taliban destroying the Buddha statues? (Last thing I heard about it is that they are under restauration)
Why do you think the US media reacted like that on two culturally significant and irreplacable statues in Afghanistan while nobody cares about even much more valuable, much more unique sites being destroyed by the USA in Iraq?
The typical hypocrisy and double standards of US barbarians surfacing again.
salaam.
spring-peeper
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Aldebaran said:
It's not only the US is the only state that destroys cultures, the spanish did a pretty good job of destroying mayian and aztec cultures.
I think that Yuwipi Woman's post sums it up best -
It is not "local culture" they are destroying in Iraq.
IT IS THE WORLD'S HERITAGE. THE CRADDLE OF CIVILISATION.
They are as badly barbaric as the (over-estimated) barbarian Alexander the "Great". (he became of course over-estimated because of the longer term effects of his bloody conquering adventures).
I would not put it beyond US arrogance to consider themselves the modern version of Alexander's conquering army... combined with a firm conviction that they are bound to have the same long-lasting impact.
salaam.
IT IS THE WORLD'S HERITAGE. THE CRADDLE OF CIVILISATION.
They are as badly barbaric as the (over-estimated) barbarian Alexander the "Great". (he became of course over-estimated because of the longer term effects of his bloody conquering adventures).
I would not put it beyond US arrogance to consider themselves the modern version of Alexander's conquering army... combined with a firm conviction that they are bound to have the same long-lasting impact.
salaam.
spring-peeper
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Aldebaran said:
I know it's world heritage. War is never clean and tidy. Stuff gets destroyed.
You concentrate on the US and her policies. I wonder what your country has brought upon the world and the civilizations that you have destoyed, but that would be a little difficult wouldn't it?
Islamic empires didn't destroy what they encountered. They managed to incorporate the cultures they found on conquered land. That is the main reason behind the success of the in origin nomadic Arab culture and their sucessors. They were able to learn, to study on and to use instead of destroying blindly what they didn't know about.
If you want to learn about the lasting influences of all that on what is called nowadays "the West" and how that came to the knowledge "the West", you only need to go to a good library.
salaam.
If you want to learn about the lasting influences of all that on what is called nowadays "the West" and how that came to the knowledge "the West", you only need to go to a good library.
salaam.
spring-peeper said:
It would NOT get destroyed if the invading army had a culture because then the invaders would be AWARE OF IT that they are on sites that belong to the world's heritage. To begin with. Next they would AVOID to base ANY of their invading army camps on such sites which were undisturbed since centuries yet now stampeded on by US army boots.
Yet learning about the history of the world is not what the USA is good at. Therefore the act like nothing else then the heavily armed clueless barbarians they are.
salaam.
spring-peeper
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Aldebaran said:
Thanks for the information. Middle Eastern/Asian history are not covered very well at all in our secondary school systems.
It isn't covered in any Western secondary education system I know of. Even if something of it gets mentioned (crusades, for example) then only from a largely incomplete and sometimes even mainly "Christian" inspired view. The situation is different at university level.
salaam.
salaam.
mears said:But if the US invasion didn't happen Iraq would be under sanctions. Those sanctions killing Iraqi women and children by the thousands.
Is that really want you wanted
Correction: These criminal sanctions would not be there if not for the criminal US instigation to put them in action and to sustain them, even at a point where other UN nations wanted to lift them.
So you should question yourself: did you want these sanctions that murdered milllions of innocents?
salaam.
Backatcha Bandit
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Aldebaran said:
That's the thing about 'Western Cultural Imperialism'.
For it to flourish as it does, it is necessary to perpetuate the idea that no other culture or civilisation is 'valid' or even exists - or if it's existence is undeniable, that it is assumed to be utterly inferior.
Therefore, when 'Western Culture' is introduced, it is seen to be 'filling a vacuum', rather than displacing that which already exists.
This way we get to beat the shit out of people (militarily or economically) while feeling good about ourselves. As if by doing so we are actually doing the recipients of the beating a favour.
That's why mears thinks the way he does.
spring-peeper
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Aldebaran said:
The crusades were covered.
What I remember the most was my horror that my religion, Christainity, could repeatedly launch wave after wave of attacks in the name of God. It turned me off of Christainity.
Backatcha Bandit
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Johnny Canuck3
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Aldebaran said:
Still, I bet you know who David Hasselhof and Pamela Anderson are.
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