Have the UCKG infiltrated Sainsbury's?

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Louloubelle, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

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  2. pinkmonkey

    pinkmonkey 2.4 hour party person

    Yeah, it is. They are now banned from Costco (all stores) and Tottenham Hale Retail Park. ;)
     
  3. Giles

    Giles Well-Known Member

    True, but there's big difference between your standard-issue Christians and some of these more cult-like groups.

    Even the "Jesus Army" can genuinely claim to do "good works" by "helping" the really messed-up. But their help seems to often come with an overwhelming, brainwashing side to it.

    From seeing the UCKG lot in Kilburn, it all SEEMS nice enough, but a cursory Google about them turns up loads of nasty stuff.....

    Giles..
     
  4. sam/phallocrat

    sam/phallocrat Denarian + 1 R.I.P.

    they were all over Greenwich a few weeks ago
     
  5. Awen

    Awen New Member

    I have noticed how they seem to have changed their website to being a help centre. They have removed a lot of material...

    UCKG are a homophobic and misogynistic institution. Did anybody read their website and the 'agony aunt' stuff they had? Basically it went something like "my husband treats me like shit" and the UCKG answer was "you're a woman, ergo you're in the wrong... you should be serving men"

    Aaaand so on.

    They appear to be out trying to exploit the most vulnerable people by disguising themselves as providing a service. It's creepy... What scares me more is that there are so many young people in this organisation. :(

    ETA: Can I complain to the council about them?
     
  6. HackneyE9

    HackneyE9 Well-Known Member

    Run-up to the election, innit?

    Tories, if they win, want to channel/privatise a lot of social care budget through these sort of "Christian" groups.

    God help us.
     
  7. oryx

    oryx Sitting on the bock of the day

    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
     
  8. Iguana

    Iguana Well-Known Member

    Do these collectors wear blue t-shirts with white writing? There have been a number of collectors around Wimbledon all month. They are there nearly everyday and quite evangelical and annoying. I suspect they may be the same people.
     
  9. se5

    se5 Well-Known Member

    They were outside Oxford Circus tube station in the days running up to Christmas collecting and singing Christmas songs - wonder if Boris / whoever is in charge of tube knows/ authorised them?
     
  10. pinkmonkey

    pinkmonkey 2.4 hour party person

  11. hipipol

    hipipol Peckham Wry

    They do seem to be a dangerous bunch of manipulating shits, seem to sing a lot round Peckham, dont seem to impress that many round here tho judging by the reponse I've seen

    Still it could just be that we have an endless list of Godmen here, might just have been a rival sect trying to cause a fuss....
     
  12. recumbent

    recumbent New Member

    They appear to have broken several Met Police rules on street collection.

    http://www.met.police.uk/charities/streetcollection.htm

    Taking a look at their financial statements for recent years, they also *appear* to (exclusively?) have spent street collection money for a period of yrs on improving their property assets, which are considerable. (If you spend some time with the accounts (esp Fundraising, Restricted Reserves etc.) for several consecutive years, you'll see that there's been something interesting going on...)

    I have just taken 5 minutes to call the main non-urgent police number; you can also use the online form.
    http://www.met.police.uk/contacts/

    If you saw them and want to make a report/complaint, please do. The person I spoke to said they will act/investigate if the get "a number of reports on it".
     
  13. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

  14. harpo

    harpo Listening to Radio Jackie

    And they're back.

    This time, not collecting, but handing out 'womens health magazines' which seem to suggest that the power of their church is all you need for breast cancer. :facepalm::(

    Liverpool Road, Islington. Not directly outside Sainsbury's any more.
     
  15. gascoyneone

    gascoyneone New Member

    The church are inside Tesco Well Street Hackney, at the door and at each till. Surely more deserving charities applied to collect . I'd be interested to know more about selection process . I have written to Tesco but the standard reply comes back. I think this is combination of ignorance and he who shouts loudest
     
  16. editor

    editor hiraethified

    They were outside Sainsburys in Brixton yesterday too.
     
  17. Maggot

    Maggot The Cake of Liberty

    That's really worrying.

    Would be good to have some leaflet explaining how dodgy they are to try to stop people giving.
     
  18. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    Is it worth writing to Oxfam and the other charities they say they give to to ask what the deal is?
     
  19. ash

    ash Inittogether

    I have seen them in Brixton and Clapham. i will be contacting the RNIB one of theirso called 'charities' this is well out order. maybe the BBC should be approached they may do a piece on 'inside out' does anyone have any contacts??
     
  20. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    As I posted on the other thread about the UCKG, I saw them collecting outside the Tesco and Sainsbury locals in Stoke Newington High St and also Lidl in Finsbury Park a couple of weeks ago and they've been outside Morrisons in Stamford Hill on Saturday.

    They are definitely more low key that last year though, presumably because of the complaints.
     
  21. quimcunx

    quimcunx protestant traybake

    Since this thread I have found myself generally eyeing up charity collectors, especially round brixton, with suspicion. I give less often when I don't recognise the charity name, and mostly I don't.

    Gave money to one called Green Era at M&S last night. Had a look at their website and it all seemed a bit vague/confused but whatever except on one of their pages they'd embedded video footage of a UFO sighting in Japan. :facepalm: :hmm:

    Transmission seems to be one I see from time to time. From my googling it looks like they are methodist so I won't give to them for my own personal prefs.
     
  22. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Sadly, I've reached a point of complete mistrust of anyone rattling a bucket outside Brixton tube, so never give them anything and donate online instead.
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    uckg have been hanging about outside the dalston shopping centre a few times over the past three months: but so have newsline and nation of islam.
     
  24. Louloubelle

    Louloubelle Well-Known Member

    Just an update, I mentioned on this or another thread about a local priest who was angry with them for nicking his churches carol singing spot outside Camden Sainsbury's and was on a mission to thwart them.

    Sometime last year I handed the priest a file I had on the UCKG to help him in his mission. I had included news reports of the leaders of the UCKG being involved in serious organised crime, drug trafficking and money laundering as well as reports about the treatment of Victoria Climbe.

    He took looked at the file as if I had presented him with a turd and announced "oh no, that's nothing to do with me I can't be bothered with all that! I'm only interested in the carol singing and getting them off my patch!"

    A truly spiritual man that priest.
     
  25. harpo

    harpo Listening to Radio Jackie

    It'll soon be the season where they're all over the place, tunelessly singing carols as they dupe people into giving for 'sick children' or some general sentiment on the bucket.
     
  26. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    They were out in another guise in Hackney a few weeks ago. Forgotten the name it was but I sort of guessed by the sort of chat the girl was giving. When I asked if it was the UCKG she admitted it was. They were not collecting, just trying to get people to go to the church.
     
  27. Louloubelle

    Louloubelle Well-Known Member

    They were outside Sainsburys in Camden on Saturday. I called the non-emergency police number and it turns out that the "license" they claimed to have was not real and just knocked up on a computer, so they were collecting illegally.

    The cop I spoke to, amazingly, was fairly well informed about the UCKG and thanked me for calling the police.

    He said that it takes months to obtain a proper license and they won't be able to get one this side of Christmas.

    His advice to me was that if I saw them of any other UCKG carol singers I should call 101 (non emergency police no) and report them for street collecting without a license. The cops will turn up and move them on.

    I very much doubt that the other UCKG carol singers have proper licences. You should ask to see the license if they claim to have one. The fake one that showed me had no Met Police seal on it, was just a piece of paper with a false claim written on it saying that they had permission from the police to collect outside Sainsburys, M&S and Tescos.

    Also, and this is important, the drones doing the carol singing are victims of the cult, so it is important to try not to get angry with them. Just call the cops and get them moved.

    Some interesting videos on youtube form a former UCKG member, including this one
     
  28. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    They used to knock on the doors on my estate with their collecting buckets and shining faces. Haven't seen any for a few months though. They used to rattle their buckets all around Brixton though. Outside Sainsburys is a popular spot, not just for UCKG.
     
  29. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Have we got any coppers who are members on the sly? They might cheat! Free hobnobs and that.... :hmm:
     
  30. fogbat

    fogbat The Talibum

    They were on Oxford St on Saturday.
     
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