Have the UCKG infiltrated Sainsbury's?

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Louloubelle, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    Soz, I mean't to differentiate the UCKG to the 'local one' which Louloubelle refers to in the OP which does lots of good work.
     
  2. London_Calling

    London_Calling Pleasant and unpatronising

    Ok, so what's the next step in the argument given he also wanted her taken to hospital, after social servies didn't?

    Just make a case someone please, becasue all I'm reading in this thread is innuendo and supermarket locations?
     
  3. durruti02

    durruti02 love and rage!

    they are verywhere at the moment - i talk to them occasionally and their reaction is almost all cultish i.e no recognition of reality . I alwys ask them where the money is going, and they say new centres. when i say do you realise Bishop macedo and his cronies is creaming money off they go cultish and say it is all lies and you shouldn't believe what you read in the papers. teh sda thing is many of them say they were alkies/addicts beofree and without the church they would be in the gutter, but does that excuse that it is a pyramid scheme?? they have also clearly been rehearsed as when i ask was jesus rich or poor, they immediately twig and say he was rich and ignore it when i say but he had no money. the only time i got through to a pair was when i pretended to be a christian

    uckg are a real problem as they are also ultra conservative politically .. how we deal with them i am still not sure
     
  4. durruti02

    durruti02 love and rage!

    social services didn't deal with her because they were cash strapped and hung up about issues of abuse and removing kids from guardians so .. wrong

    UCKG didn't do anything because they believed and or encouraged the guardians to believe that the girl was possessed by demons. SO the guardians continued to abuse and in fact ended up killing the girl. .. so .. evil

    so two things of an entirely different order of wrongness
     
  5. quimcunx

    quimcunx Too tall.

    If they believe in Christ as our saviour they're christians. Evangelicals groups are Christian groups.
     
  6. quimcunx

    quimcunx Too tall.

    I was on the bus to Kennington the other day and I noticed a new centre opened up on Brixton road. Seemed to be offering help with alcholism and drugs, musical instrument lessons and prayer meetings. The Redeemed Church of God or something. :hmm:

    I don't trust 'em.
     
  7. durruti02

    durruti02 love and rage!

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an010715-18.html

    Along the way, Macedo has become a multimillionaire who draws criticism like the devout attract demons. A few years after he held his first service, in a tiny mortuary in Rio, unsubstantiated rumors began circulating about his multimillion-dollar international empire being little more than a giant money-laundering operation for the Colombian drug cartel. In 1996, the Brazilian press quoted Interpol official Romeu Tuma as saying that the U.S. Department of Justice had been asked to investigate the allegations; now, five years later, neither Interpol nor the U.S. Attorney's Office will comment on the matter. The unproven accusations of seedy drug connections have followed the church to Europe, where a 1997 report by the Belgian parliament claimed the church is out to defraud believers: "This is an authentic crime organization whose only goal is to enrich itself. This is an extreme form of religious merchandizing."
     
  8. durruti02

    durruti02 love and rage!

    you're right they are all crooks .. but tragically the fulfill a social need and while i want to hate them actually they just show us how we ( me included) are failing our neighbours and fellow humans
     
  9. ajdown

    ajdown Posting in this thread

    "Some", certainly. All? Certainly not.
     
  10. Louloubelle

    Louloubelle Well-Known Member

    Good post

    some links that are relevant

    http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=31&sid=1738026

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...at-drives-evil-from-the-possessed-701515.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314707/Purging-of-demons-nets-millions.html

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/236...uggesting-that-blessed-oil-cured-heart-defect
     
  11. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    They are all mental.
     
  12. IMR

    IMR well-meaning tosser

    Things like the UCKG are fascinating developments. The social conditions which proved so fertile for the UCKG in Brazil are now beginning to be replicated here.
     
  13. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    They are EVERYWHERE in north London at the moment - Hackney, Finsbury Park, Angel, even Muswell Hill and have been for the last couple of weeks. It seems to be a full on crusade - I assume they have to have permission from the council to do this?

    People give to them because they think they are giving to a general charitable cause (they ARE a registered charity). They were collecting from the Arsenal fans outside the pubs on a match day and I'm sure they had no idea what it was for!

    I know who they are so I asked one of the people what they were actually collecting for - was it for their church and she said yes, for their churches care centres. I told her I don't donate to denominational charites, she was very polite and said 'fair enough'.
     
  14. fogbat

    fogbat The Talibum

    Their Peckham HQ has been out of action for months, while they pretty much rebuilt the building from the ground up.

    They used to have "Free counselling" adverts outside, inviting people in. May as well have had "Frightened? Vulnerable? Come right in!" emblazoned on the doors.
     
  15. Jenerys

    Jenerys Stormborn

    You make a very valid point :)
     
  16. pinkmonkey

    pinkmonkey 2.4 hour party person

    8 people collecting inside Costco in Chingford this afternoon, asked the customer service desk why they allowed them in and was told, 'they're a church, collecting for children.'

    Riiiiight.
     
  17. IMR

    IMR well-meaning tosser

    I saw them dishing out leaflets and trying to talk to people going in and out of an NHS clinic on Southwall Broadway. Pretty neat way to get a hold of people who already might be anxious and looking for a sympathetic ear.

    In fairness, most UCKG footsoldiers are likely to be quite sincere and well-meaning. They seem a younger, more energetic crowd than the Jehovah's Witnesses. Wonder what the membership turnover is like.
     
  18. pinkmonkey

    pinkmonkey 2.4 hour party person

    El Jugs suggested to me that street collections are always about raising a charity public profile rather than making money, because little cash can be raised by charities in this way (compared to other means). I have to say I agree and am guilty of chucking a quid in their bucket the other day before I saw this thread. Collecting 'for the children' is a bit of a fib, though, is it not?
     
  19. fogbat

    fogbat The Talibum

    We're all someone's child...
     
  20. IMR

    IMR well-meaning tosser

    They probably believed it when they were saying it. What motivates the footsoldiers won't be the same as what motivates the leadership.

    UCKG make a point of trying to recruit people down on their luck and they argue, with some justification, that's a major part of the Christian tradition.

    There's a big emphasis on lifting curses in the UCKG too, and on the spiritual power of words.
     
  21. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    They were collecting for their 'charity' outside my local Tesco the other night. :mad:
     
  22. quimcunx

    quimcunx Too tall.

    And outside Tesco Brixton.
     
  23. Maggot

    Maggot The Cake of Liberty

    They were collecting in Bromley High St today. Saying that they are providing shelter for young people. .
     
  24. oryx

    oryx Sitting on the bock of the day

    My experience about how much evengelical church-goers care about the homeless:

    A few years ago, one cold and wet Sunday I walked from Costcutter on Wandsworth Road past the local evangelical church.

    A very drunk old man from the local wet hostel had fallen over in the street and was trying to get up. I was horrified to see all these righteous people dressed up to the nines ignoring him and even looking at him with horror.

    I gave him a hand up and set him on his way - didn't do any more than that but I've never forgotten that incident.
     
  25. ajdown

    ajdown Posting in this thread

    That may be your experience of that particular group of church-goers - but it's not an absolute. Lots of churches have homeless projects of some description on the go, or are involved with one.

    Do you know what church it was they were going to?
     
  26. wtfftw

    wtfftw Well-Known Member

    They're frequently outside Morrison's in holloway, but also just the nags head area.
     
  27. oryx

    oryx Sitting on the bock of the day

    Tin rattling, knitting socks and donating blankets are different things from helping people in distress on the street face to face. I got the distinct impression this bunch of Pharisees didn't want to know because the guy was dirty, smelly and drunk.

    It was the church opposite the bingo hall on Wandsworth Road.
     
  28. Cid

    Cid 慢慢走

    Still loads in Angel... whoever organises them is certainly a cunning fucker, absolutely nothing to identify them to the average passer-by, their emblem just looks like a heart as well.

    Was talking to a friend about them not long ago, and it is worth complaining to supermarket management, apparently they often don't really know much about them and they have been banned before.
     
  29. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    inside catford tescos this morning
     
  30. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    http://www.rushcliffe.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9851
     

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