Hate American neoconservatives? Read this and hate them even more!!!

[Johnny Canuck3]

You're not meant to watch them back-to-back.

It's like ODing on cotton candy or Nutella, is it?

Starts out really good, but after awhile, all you want to do is purge.


I'm only watching it back to back because of how they present the World Cup here.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Actually, I think I've worked it out!

Jonny...have you been watching the matches on ITV by any chance?!

I'm watching it here, on the satellite sports channels. It must be a feed from somewhere.

Does ITV have an overenthused British guy doing the commentating?

 

[CyberRose]

They don't show them live?

 

[Termite Man]

I'd watch that too, but I'd rather watch a playoff game between the Canucks and the Detroit Red Wings, truth be told. It's fast, exciting, and the heads are encased in plastic helmets, the way God intended.

I believe there has actually been some studies and stuff which conclude that protective head gear can be more damaging to the brain than not having it . IIRC it was a debate to do with the headgear worn by amateur boxers . As for protecting the head etc. don't americans like boxing , surely activly seeking to get punched in the head is more idiotic than heading a ball .

 

[8ball]

Sorry to disappoint!

Just that the article is making people's bloody boil on message board around the virtual world . . .

Are there people who are surprised and angry that some people don't like football?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They don't show them live?

I think so, but it's at 5:30 a.m.

I watch repeats, when I get home from work.

 

[8ball]

As for protecting the head etc. don't americans like boxing , surely activly seeking to get punched in the head is more idiotic than heading a ball .

I believe the idea is to punch the other guy in the head.

 

[CyberRose]

I'm watching it here, on the satellite sports channels. It must be a feed from somewhere.

Does ITV have an overenthused British guy doing the commentating?

No, it has David Pleat and a half time summary studio that looks like the Broom Cupboard minus Gordon the Gopher

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

They don't show them live?

Why not?? Its not like you're going to see the results on the news before you see the game.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I believe there has actually been some studies and stuff which conclude that protective head gear can be more damaging to the brain than not having it . IIRC it was a debate to do with the headgear worn by amateur boxers . As for protecting the head etc. don't americans like boxing , surely activly seeking to get punched in the head is more idiotic than heading a ball .

Hockey without protection:

Jason is beginning to look like a REAL hockey player after catching a puck in the mouth. (36 stitches later).

http://www.pbase.com/cokids/image/38855589

 

[CyberRose]

Are there people who are surprised and angry that some people don't like football?

No they just don't like the patronising way this article has expressed its dislike of the beautiful game...many of them Americans themselves

 

[CyberRose]

Why not?? Its not like you're going to see the results on the news before you see the game.

 

[8ball]

No they just don't like the patronising way this article has expressed its dislike of the beautiful game...many of them Americans themselves

Well, it's just a silly editorial - thousands like it get written every day.

It's a bit tetchy for someone in a country where football is so easy to avoid, I'll grant you.

Unless the Yanks have caught a bit of footie fever . .

 

[Termite Man]

Hockey without protection:

Jason is beginning to look like a REAL hockey player after catching a puck in the mouth. (36 stitches later).

http://www.pbase.com/cokids/image/38855589

The head protection is designed to prevent craked skulls etc. If the head is in an impact and cannot move to absorb that impact due to a restrictive helmet ( such as the one american footballers wear ) then the brain will move inside the skull and cause unseen internal damage . Is effectivly what the research I'm talking about said ( I'll try and find a link ) so the articles argument about protecting the brain is not only stupid but completly the opposite of what a scientific study has found !

 

[Termite Man]

The damage from TBI can be focal, confined to one area of the brain, or diffuse, involving more than one area of the brain. Diffuse trauma to the brain is frequently associated with concussion (a shaking of the brain in response to sudden motion of the head),

Now if a helmet is worn which prevents head movement any force from the impact must go somewhere , and since the brain is not in a fixed position then the force is likely to transfer to movement of the brain thus increasing the likelihood of damage to the brain !

 

[8ball]

Now if a helmet is worn which prevents head movement any force from the impact must go somewhere , and since the brain is not in a fixed position then the force is likely to transfer to movement of the brain thus increasing the likelihood of damage to the brain !

If you get hit by something and your head doesn't move doesn't that mean you're ok?

I thought it was having your head knocked around that caused brain damage . . .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The head protection is designed to prevent craked skulls etc. If the head is in an impact and cannot move to absorb that impact due to a restrictive helmet ( such as the one american footballers wear ) then the brain will move inside the skull and cause unseen internal damage . Is effectivly what the research I'm talking about said ( I'll try and find a link ) so the articles argument about protecting the brain is not only stupid but completly the opposite of what a scientific study has found !

So if that's true, how can headbutts be good for you?

Also, if a hockey puck is heading for that space between my eyes at 100 mph, I'd rather be wearing one of these than not:

 

[Termite Man]

An average of about eight players die each year in the United States as a result of injuries received in games at all levels. Concussions are common, with an estimated 40,000 suffered every year among high school players

Now with 40,000 concussions in just high school football , must surely indicate that the damage to the brain from American football is greater than normal football and the results of concussions can be lethal . So thats one major part of the article which is just plain wrong !

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Now with 40,000 concussions in just high school football , must surely indicate that the damage to the brain from American football is greater than normal football and the results of concussions can be lethal . So thats one major part of the article which is just plain wrong !

Soccer just kills the brains of the people watching it.

 

[William of Walworth]

I can't actually see anything neo-con about the article, the guy just seems to dislike football - it may be a neocon source but I was expecting something political to slip out . . .

Good point, that was what I thought too, when I read it.

I was disappointed!!! I was hoping that footy would be blamed on communism, or 'liberals', or something. As Yoss hinted -- entertainingly but not really in keeping with what was actually said in the article ..

 

[Nemo]

Soccer just kills the brains of the people watching it.

Only if Switzerland are playing Ukraine.

 

[Termite Man]

If you get hit by something and your head doesn't move doesn't that mean you're ok?

I thought it was having your head knocked around that caused brain damage . . .

It's the brain moving inside the cerebrospinal fluid that causes the damage , just because your head doesn't move doesn't mean your brain won't . Even with protective head gear there are 40,000 high school concussions in American Football , the helemt may be protecting the brain , I'm only half remembering a study I read about , but if your arguing that "americans protect their brains" then surely they wouldn't have boxing , American football , Hockey , or in fact any contact sport . The logic of the article is completly skewed and complete bollocks !

 

[Termite Man]

I was disappointed!!! I was hoping that footy would be blamed on communism, or 'liberals', or something. As Yoss hinted -- entertainingly but not really in keeping with what was actually said in the article ..

Despite heroic efforts of soccer moms, suburban liberals, and World Cup hype, soccer will never catch on as a big time sport in America.

It's imply that liberals like football and since football is unamerican then so are liberals , seems neo-con enough for me

 

[8ball]

It's the brain moving inside the cerebrospinal fluid that causes the damage , just because your head doesn't move doesn't mean your brain won't .

Ok, right.

I'm still not getting how you're supposed to get the brain moving without getting the head moving.

Or having a hole in the head to put a spoon in and stir the fluid around . . .

That's it, isn't it.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Only if Switzerland are playing Ukraine.

I have to thank U75 for something. I saw that game on the schedule, and avoided it thanks to comments here. Thus, I still have a full brain...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's the brain moving inside the cerebrospinal fluid that causes the damage , just because your head doesn't move doesn't mean your brain won't . Even with protective head gear there are 40,000 high school concussions in American Football , the helemt may be protecting the brain , I'm only half remembering a study I read about , but if your arguing that "americans protect their brains" then surely they wouldn't have boxing , American football , Hockey , or in fact any contact sport . The logic of the article is completly skewed and complete bollocks !

It's called a coup/contrecoup injury. It happens when your head is moving at a certain speed, then stops, and the brain sloshes up against the cranium on the inside, then sloshes back and hits the opposite end of the cranium.

It's different from being nailed in the head by a hockey puck.

 

[Nemo]

I have to thank U75 for something. I saw that game on the schedule, and avoided it thanks to comments here. Thus, I still have a full brain...

Jammy bugger. I'm still recovering.

 

[Termite Man]

Ok, right.

I'm still not getting how you're supposed to get the brain moving without getting the head moving.

Or having a hole in the head to put a spoon in and stir the fluid around . . .

That's it, isn't it.

The brain isn't fixed in the head . Imagine if you put a ball floating a bucket of water and and hit the bucket without making it move . The fluid sipporting the ball will move and thus making the ball move as well . It's the same principle with the brain . The force of an impact has to go somewhere if the head is unable to move then where does all the force go ? The study I half remember concluded that the full force of the impact would transfer to the cerebrospinal fluid and thus create more brain movement . I don't know if this is true but the fact remains an impact to the head will create movement of the brain in the skull with or without protective head gear . Helmets to protect the brain are to prevent focal brain trauma rather than diffuse brain trauma !

So the idea that Americans don't do sports which can damage the brain is frankly bollocks IMO !

 

[Termite Man]

It's called a coup/contrecoup injury. It happens when your head is moving at a certain speed, then stops, and the brain sloshes up against the cranium on the inside, then sloshes back and hits the opposite end of the cranium.

It's different from being nailed in the head by a hockey puck.

Being hit by a hockey puck isn't the only way to get a head injury in hockey . From the limited amount of hockey I've seen there have been quite a few body checks into the side of the rink ( or is it arena ) that would provide the coup/contrecoup injury wouldn't it .

I'm not saying the helmets do have some protective benefits but they aren't a magical shield like the articles writer seems to think they are !

 

[William of Walworth]

It's imply that liberals like football and since football is unamerican then so are liberals , seems neo-con enough for me

Fair enough, forgot that (I'd read it before I left work) but it could have been so much more unsubtle!!!