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Has Sven lost it?

RenegadeDog said:
And Trinidad will be like a pub team by comparison.
I'd be careful about Trinidad, I wouldn't underestimate them - their squad is very confident and they could be a surprise team for the second round. They've got some decent players, many based in England - they know a lot about us and I think their style of play will suit playing against England. Apparently they are targeting a win against Paraguay and draws v Eng and Sweden! :eek:
 
RenegadeDog said:
I do wish everyone would cease the misery. We've got one of the best selection of midfield players I can remember. Owen will be fit. Rooney will be back to fitness by the quarter finals or semis. Walcott will be one of the sensations of the tournament.

All this "Out in the group stage" guff has to stop. Has anyone seen Paraguay play? We beat them in 2002 without Beckham or Rooney, with a very similar lineup to what will probably start against them, and more inexperienced at that. They are dull. And Trinidad will be like a pub team by comparison.

It's the influence of the media mate. It's just so full on, it never stops, everything is analysed to death. If you're not surrounded by this bullshit, it's easier to see the woods for the trees.

I think sven's reaction to rooney's demise shows that we made a big mistake in sacking him. What's going to happen if a sacked manager wins the cup for the first time in 40 years????

We need an adventure, not a fucking conservative negative attitude towards the world cup. Play the arsenal way, they know exactly how to attack cups...
 
JKKne said:
Owens' going to play against Belarus for the England B Team on 25 May :cool:

Out in the group stage? I don't think anyone thinks that, its going to be the usual quarter final guff...its trademarked

Like fuck is it.

The amount of quality players we have we should make the final. Whether we do will depend on how much influence the media have once we start the competition. English fans almost don't deserve to win this thing, far too much pessimism going on. It's always the fucking same.
 
k_s said:
No- in fact crouch's inclusion seems like the thing people should be muttering about, not walcott's. He's scored how many goals in a full season at liverpool? of which how many did he simply touch in or get in the way of?

Too true. Crouch fits the english bill.

Choosing walcott will hopefully show us the way in the future. England do themselves in every fucking time with all their moaning and pessimism and avoidance of sheer talent.

Well fucking done sven. Who's been one of our best managers ever based on his results.
 
If we go out on pens again, or to a better Brazil/A N Other side we can't blame the media fela, it's just football man.
 
fela fan said:
Like fuck is it.

The amount of quality players we have we should make the final. Whether we do will depend on how much influence the media have once we start the competition. English fans almost don't deserve to win this thing, far too much pessimism going on. It's always the fucking same.

I imagine most of it comes from the knowledge there own clubs aren't going to win anything so its passed through to pinning hopes on England, who when they fail, take the brunt of the abuse
 
Walcott's a massive gamble for Sven - i know his grandad, a Tory councillor from Jamaica, and a great character who should be in parliament. Sven knows he's off with 5 million quid and probably a very nice pension plan from the FA. What's he got to lose?
 
Flashman said:
If we go out on pens again, or to a better Brazil/A N Other side we can't blame the media fela, it's just football man.

Can't agree mate. Even penalties, which seem like a lottery, are mainly down to who can out-psyche who.

And we often bottle it, other teams don't. Can we blame coincidence? I just simply think that our media and the like do us no favours over the psychology part of the game. We really do manage to talk ourselves down over the game. And when the crunch comes, i think it transmits itself to our players.

This time we have too good a squad of players, who i reckon have an inner belief that can overcome the negative bullshit of our press.

Plus a sacked manager! You can't sack him twice...
 
JKKne said:
I imagine most of it comes from the knowledge there own clubs aren't going to win anything so its passed through to pinning hopes on England, who when they fail, take the brunt of the abuse

No mate, it's in the national psyche. I've seen the opposite first hand. In australia.

We have serious problems recognising what we're potentially good at. And those problems impact on our players at the crucial times.

It's almost as if we will ourselves to lose so that we can moan even more!!
 
fela fan said:
No mate, it's in the national psyche. I've seen the opposite first hand. In australia.

We have serious problems recognising what we're potentially good at. And those problems impact on our players at the crucial times.

It's almost as if we will ourselves to lose so that we can moan even more!!

The stiff upper lip, never mind chaps attitude? :D
 
So very unsure about Walcott. He hasn't played a single minute in the Premiership, let alone an actual fucking international and on top of that Sven hasn't even seen him play. I can see how he might be the 'unknown quantity' but he's as much that for us as he is for the bloody opposition! And it's all well and good everyone going on about how fast he is but what about his ability to actually score goals?? Pace can be very useful but you still need to do something at the end of the run. Dwain Chambers was a fast fucker, but I wouldn't put him in an England squad because of it.

I'm not saying it definitely won't work, but it's a fucking massive gamble, especially when our two main strikers are injured (even if Owen makes it he won't be at full potential) and the other is Peter 'what is a goal' Crouch. He's touting J.Cole as a makeshift forward but we need a proper, out-and-out, get-the-goals striker. To be fair though, I'm not sure who that would be.
AverageJoe said:
I want to see Crouch up front with SWP just so that when the cameras zoom in on SWP doing his 'watcha talkin' 'bout' Willis' face and Crouch lumbers over they cant get them both in the same shot, and Crouch just stands with his head out of shot like that bloke in the Airplane (?) films.

I am a simple person.:(
A wide-angled lens is what's needed ;) (Couldn't find the picture of them both waiting to come on as subs against Uruguay(?), that was beautiful :cool: )
 
I'm going to join Fela in confidence this time around. Laugh at me openly if I'm proved wrong... but I've predicted the last 3 England tournaments precisely - out in first round in Euro 2000, quarters in world cup 2002, quarters in 2004 - and I'm sure we can win this time
 
RenegadeDog said:
I've predicted the last 3 England tournaments precisely - out in first round in Euro 2000, quarters in world cup 2002, quarters in 2004 - and I'm sure we can win this time
I'll take that :)

I would love to think we could win it, I'm just deeply unsure given all the problems we seem to have had all of a sudden :(

Still, makes for a better story doesn't it (that would have to include Rooney coming on in the final and playing a blinder) :D
 
Flashman said:
I'm loath to underestimate fela and his predictions after his Ashes confidence last summer.

Well, to add to the mix mate: first leg won in real madrid, i found out arsenal were 14/1 to win the cup. I thought those were mighty generous odds and promptly put 100 quid on them to win it (using my mate's internet account with corals). That sort of money goes a very long way in thailand... and my nerves will be pretty shot to pieces come kick off time next wednesday!

My original idea was to have a double on arsenal and england...

but i've yet to bet on us. Don't think i will if arsenal win!

[mind you a nice double of england to win the wc and to win the ashes... what are the odds on that eh?!]

Seriously, we're in an era of good england times - the rugby (had them to win that too), the cricket, the footy to come... enjoy them while we can. We, as english fans, have high expectations and we have so much further to fall coz of this. I've had about three decades of various disappointments, and i feel very much like this is all about to disappear - mainly coz we have a great great bunch of players, and a sacked manager in charge...

... who's got fucking BOTTLE.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Which one have you gone for? I can never decide and always end up getting 4 or 5 different ones :o

Just printed off the shite BBC web one for now until the freebie newspaper ones arrive whenever. Might put the small one up in the bog for the matches I watch in the bath.
 
Lord Camomile said:
So very unsure about Walcott. He hasn't played a single minute in the Premiership, let alone an actual fucking international and on top of that Sven hasn't even seen him play.

Let me reduce your unsureness mate. He was bought by the man who bought and developed, amongst many, nicolas anelka, thierry henry and patrick viera. This man has an eye for raw talent, then goes about developing it.

Sven can rely upon the opinions of wenger, and that no doubt played a big part in his highly admirable and unenglish gamble.

Good bloody work i say. Attack the cup with belief, and see what happens. Everybody in the england camp is burning to send sven off with style. The man deserves it.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Ok, so maybe he can finish ;)

Cam man, you know I'm Pompey. I'm saying that a scummer, a bloody scummer!!!! has a good pace, ball control, flicks and tricks and the necessary finishing to make it in the England squad.

It hurts to say it, especially as Gary O'Neil, Matthew Taylor, Jamie Ashdown and the mighty mighty mighty Linvoy Primus weren't even considered (:mad: ) despite having played three seasons in the premiership!

But I reckon Theo has what it takes.

(for fucks sake, lucky rednblack isn't here to see me say that :mad: )
 
RenegadeDog said:
I'm going to join Fela in confidence this time around. Laugh at me openly if I'm proved wrong... but I've predicted the last 3 England tournaments precisely - out in first round in Euro 2000, quarters in world cup 2002, quarters in 2004 - and I'm sure we can win this time

Have you been away from the mother country too long mate?! What's happened??
 
I agree about relative recent success. I find it amusing that it's all happened since I left the UK, starting with the Rugby World Cup about 2 months after I arrived in China, mostly watched in a bar in town... Oh, and since I came out here West Ham have been repromoted and got to the cup final.

I'd better not go back or I might jinx it...
 
Lord Camomile said:
I'll take that :)

I would love to think we could win it, I'm just deeply unsure given all the problems we seem to have had all of a sudden :(

Still, makes for a better story doesn't it (that would have to include Rooney coming on in the final and playing a blinder) :D

And just stop and think for one minute all the problems arsenal have had. 75% of their first choice defence out and they embark upon a 10n game sequence of letting in no goals. Never mind getting to the final when no-one gave them a chance.

Football often rewards the brave. Sven has shown the way. Remember, bravery is supposed to be part of the english spirit!
 
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