Has Sven lost it?
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TheLostProphet said:
I didn't think Beattie had. Because the boards were down though I've been on the 606 boards and they're full of 'top English scorer' repeated over and over.
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France '98?Neva said:
It's the inclusion of Jenas AND Hargreaves that puzzles me the most. Take one, but not both - especially when the squad place would be better given to a striker any striker would have done.
Walcott's certainly an interesting one. Nice to give him a bash at it. Not only have opposition fans/players/coaches not seen him play but nor has most English people. I've no idea what to expect from the lad.
Walcott's certainly an interesting one. Nice to give him a bash at it. Not only have opposition fans/players/coaches not seen him play but nor has most English people. I've no idea what to expect from the lad.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=teFw3XUk7wU&search=walcott
have a look, his acceleration is frightning like Lennons and his composure is also good
the acceleration is like owen at 98
have a look, his acceleration is frightning like Lennons and his composure is also good
the acceleration is like owen at 98
how the f**k can walcott be in the squad ???
it doesnt matter how much you think he looks good
in training ? he hasnt even played a game in the prem ?
nobody has seen him against and decent defender ?
put it this way if arse didnt sign himand was still at
the scummers there is no way he would even be talked
about...
it doesnt matter how much you think he looks good
in training ? he hasnt even played a game in the prem ?
nobody has seen him against and decent defender ?
put it this way if arse didnt sign himand was still at
the scummers there is no way he would even be talked
about...
Wilf
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Neva said:
Thats the problem. Rooney isn't going to play - full stop. He's a wasted airline ticket - surprised Sven doesn't take one of his lasses instead. Good chance Owen will be unfit and still injured - leaving Crouch and small boy as the strikeforce.
Given that one of these two will probably get injured or fuck up at some point, hes almost certainly going to have to use a makeshift striker. Anybody could end up in that situation, but its fucking crazy to go out there knowing its likely to happen.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
4thwrite - he can change the squad up until the day he leaves to account forinjury.
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ChrisFilter said:
I think they have to actually provide evidence of injury though. He can't just switch around a load of players just because he feels like it.
Genghis Cohen
Minister For Scrabble
Lost it, how could he have done ? Any player who's scored 5 in 23 starts for a first division club and never even played in the premiership should be in the FUCKING WORLD CUP SQUAD, THE MAD SWEDISH CUNT.
He's now admitted he's never actually seen Walcott play, he's playing fast and loose with a job he knows he's going to be out of, if it comes off he's a master, if it doesnt, who gives a shit, he's gone.
I think it speaks volumes about englands chances, when they've got a player who's never even played in the top domestic league in the squad, yet argentina have got so many good players they can afford to leave out Aguero, probably the best player in their top domestic league.
I'm not his biggest fan but he should have taken Bent (even one of the older proven generation would be preferable to someone who's never so much kicked a premiership ball in anger; Fowler, Sherringham, etc,) Crouch (who is not a 'first' striker) and an 'unsharp' Owen is not good enough, unless the team is reverted to the 'michael owen is dead good, he's ace he is, go on tell him how special he is' attitude of the 'prince michael refuses to play alongside anyone who might outshine him' days of Liverpool and I cant see the rest of the squad putting up with that, particularly as a fair few of them are now better than him.
He's now admitted he's never actually seen Walcott play, he's playing fast and loose with a job he knows he's going to be out of, if it comes off he's a master, if it doesnt, who gives a shit, he's gone.
I think it speaks volumes about englands chances, when they've got a player who's never even played in the top domestic league in the squad, yet argentina have got so many good players they can afford to leave out Aguero, probably the best player in their top domestic league.
I'm not his biggest fan but he should have taken Bent (even one of the older proven generation would be preferable to someone who's never so much kicked a premiership ball in anger; Fowler, Sherringham, etc,) Crouch (who is not a 'first' striker) and an 'unsharp' Owen is not good enough, unless the team is reverted to the 'michael owen is dead good, he's ace he is, go on tell him how special he is' attitude of the 'prince michael refuses to play alongside anyone who might outshine him' days of Liverpool and I cant see the rest of the squad putting up with that, particularly as a fair few of them are now better than him.
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zed said:
Bit harsh. There's no chance England will do a France -- we can expect them to score for a start.
Defoe's, what 8 appearances, is hardly being "proven at that level". He'll probably go anyway.
Some of the posters on here, and the starter of the thread forget that Rooney and Owen are a risk. I would keep them at home. Sven is damned if he does and damn if he doesn't. Bent could be a one hit wonder, Crouch can do a job for us, he has quick feet and plays others into the game.
I forget the poster who mentioned fowler and sheringham, you should do stand up.
Anyone remember Baros, great at international level, terrible in the league. Give the young guns a chance.
I forget the poster who mentioned fowler and sheringham, you should do stand up.
Anyone remember Baros, great at international level, terrible in the league. Give the young guns a chance.
Grego Morales
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It's fucking bizarre that he's taken both Hargreaves and Downing before SWP, who dispite having a nightmare of a season with Chelski has always played well for England. Has Hargreaves ever had a good England game? I remember him tripping over his own legs in Euro 2004, does that count? They all play in different positons, but is the world cup really the place to be fucking around like this.
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muser said:
Proven goalscorers, lunacy.
I wouldnt take either of them, not when there's a big fuck off line starting with bent and defoe and ending somewhere around luke moore, but I'd sure as fuck take them over someone who's scored all of 2 goals for arsenal twatting reserves.
Grego Morales said:
The squad seems unbalanced towards the midfield do you not think, wtf is Jenas all about, I cant believe he couldnt have dropped him or hargreaves to make room for a striker.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
i think taking walcott is a genius move tbh..he was quality against us this season and the only decent player in a rather shitty game IIRC - quick as fuck and very composed, as someone mentioned. he only has to come on once as sub at the world cup and score a crucial goal and he's done his job.
sven IS nuts tho - it's as if he's tried to be clever and catch everyone out...just for the sake of it. the defence is pretty straightforward and you could split hairs about the midfield all day...but only taking four strikers when two of them are injured is just nuts mate...
i'm always a fan of picking the form players though...so glad lennon is in there.
i just hope sven has some grand plan in his head..i'm sure he does...there's just about enough players to cover all eventualities....we'll all be back in here in july after winning the world cup and marvelling at sven's selection genius and wishing the media hadn't made him leave!
sven IS nuts tho - it's as if he's tried to be clever and catch everyone out...just for the sake of it. the defence is pretty straightforward and you could split hairs about the midfield all day...but only taking four strikers when two of them are injured is just nuts mate...
i'm always a fan of picking the form players though...so glad lennon is in there.
i just hope sven has some grand plan in his head..i'm sure he does...there's just about enough players to cover all eventualities....we'll all be back in here in july after winning the world cup and marvelling at sven's selection genius and wishing the media hadn't made him leave!
Grego Morales
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Midfielders in the England squad who have been, or are very likely to be played as wingers by Sven.
Beckham
Gerrard
J Cole
Lennon
Downing
Hargreaves
Jenas (?)
As Sven is going to take both Lennon and Downing he will have to use them tactically at some point, as neither could really play in centre midfield like the other players on the list. If he doesn't play them at some point in order to purposely change the swing of the game, (and not from injuries) then he has wasted two places.
Beckham
Gerrard
J Cole
Lennon
Downing
Hargreaves
Jenas (?)
As Sven is going to take both Lennon and Downing he will have to use them tactically at some point, as neither could really play in centre midfield like the other players on the list. If he doesn't play them at some point in order to purposely change the swing of the game, (and not from injuries) then he has wasted two places.
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Sunray said:
You can only play so many people though, theoretically with the strength england have at CB, they could play 3-6-1, plus you've got the utility aspect of Gerrard and Carragher, between the two of them they can play any position besides in goal, 1-0 down you can just drop Gerrard who's highly adept at defending alongside Carrick and bosh, save yourself a sub or if one of Gerrard or Carrck are knackered bring on Carragher or Hargreaves, having a third 'option' in Jenas is a waste, unless theres one almighty injury crisis.
AverageJoe
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I may be wrong, but isnt this only the provisional squad - meaning that a couple of the people named still wont go?
Who will they be then? Rooney will probably be one, but that means that if Erickson pulls in another forward to replace him he will still have to drop a couple of players to ensure that the squad is the regulation size - suggesting that at least one midfielder and one defender will be left out.
Who will they be then? Rooney will probably be one, but that means that if Erickson pulls in another forward to replace him he will still have to drop a couple of players to ensure that the squad is the regulation size - suggesting that at least one midfielder and one defender will be left out.
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You right in that this is only a provisional squad (in that it can still be changed up until the 15th or longer depending on injuries) but the 23 he has named is supposedly the 23 that will go to the world cup. No players will have to be dropped from the current squad.AverageJoe said:
I don't like Hargreaves or Jenas, I would much rather have seen Kieran Richardson and Shaun Wright-Phillips in the squad than those two.
As for the striker situation, I can't believe that with the injuries to Rooney and Owen we could potentially be relying on Peter "Fucking" Crouch and an unproven youngster. Walcott's inclusion could be a stroke of genius or it could be a big mistake. I certainly hope it's the former.
As for the striker situation, I can't believe that with the injuries to Rooney and Owen we could potentially be relying on Peter "Fucking" Crouch and an unproven youngster. Walcott's inclusion could be a stroke of genius or it could be a big mistake. I certainly hope it's the former.
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
I was absolutely gobsmacked when I heard the squad yesterday but having slept on it I reckon it might just be mad enough to work. Sven's obviously decided Bent, Defoe etc just aren't up to it (fair enough) and just thought, "Fuck it, let's stick some quick-footed, enthusiastic unknowns in there who are going to put the shits up any defence they come across." It's either genius or madness, but it's going to make the World Cup pretty much unmissable...
Sven must have thought well I don't fancy bringing on Bent or Defoe (neither would I to be honest) so I'll opt for the pacey unnkown quantity. The more I digest it the more I like the idea, defenders hate playing against real pace. I can understand why people are down on the decision, it is a huge gamble that could backfire but I am a romantic and applaud Sven for the sheer audacity of it.
Flashman said:
So do i.
The likes of argentina will remember young owen's goal against them when they knew little about him. They know the english can produce fast young players that have no fear when on the ball. We lost rooney, maybe this theo lad might be a good replacement.
It's good to see england taking risks before the tournament, since we usually exit the tournament by doing the opposite.
bluestreak
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i'm happy enough with it - a nice combination of risk and conservatism. i am concerned about the striker situation though. i think that only have two guarunteed fit strikers, one of whom has no premiership experience is very risky. i'd have added bent or defoe to the definite list, and left one of jenas or hargreaves out.
g force
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Sometimes English fans are so bloody fickle. One minute Sven's too conservative the next he's lost the plot I remember the game agaionst Brasil and the entire squad was lacklustre and without any pace or creative flair...every substitute was like for like, there was no plan B.
With this squad I think there is - start with the usual suspects and if necessary put the kids on to run at the opposition.
I think it's a very good squad - team like Brasil, Spain, Argentina etc have no qualms about putting youngsters in. Admittedly players like Messi have been around for a few years and actually played games for their clubs and get bedded in during the qualification rounds, but so what. Walcott is only in the squad and he and Lennon provide some interesting options.
The biggest concerns should be the lack of a leading striker. Rooney and Owen aren't fit and Crouch just isn't good enough to lead the line. There's a lack of English striking talent full stop...Defoe is good, but hardly a world beater, Vassell is a joke and Bent is merely average. If england are to progress they'll need Cole, Lampard and Gerrard to all pitch in.
I remember the game agaionst Brasil and the entire squad was lacklustre and without any pace or creative flair...every substitute was like for like, there was no plan B. With this squad I think there is - start with the usual suspects and if necessary put the kids on to run at the opposition.
I think it's a very good squad - team like Brasil, Spain, Argentina etc have no qualms about putting youngsters in. Admittedly players like Messi have been around for a few years and actually played games for their clubs and get bedded in during the qualification rounds, but so what. Walcott is only in the squad and he and Lennon provide some interesting options.
The biggest concerns should be the lack of a leading striker. Rooney and Owen aren't fit and Crouch just isn't good enough to lead the line. There's a lack of English striking talent full stop...Defoe is good, but hardly a world beater, Vassell is a joke and Bent is merely average. If england are to progress they'll need Cole, Lampard and Gerrard to all pitch in.
