Has racism always been a Right Wing trait?

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Groucho of course a person can be nationalist 'and' socialist. AkA Nazi

 

[Belushi]

Groucho of course a person can be nationalist 'and' socialist. AkA Nazi

Despite the name there was very little which could be described as socialist in the Nazis ideology.

 

[Belushi]

was bismarck not a nationalist socialist.

nationalist outlook

but yet pioneered the welfare state

AFAIK Bismarck invented the Welfare State to sap support from the German Social Democratic movement not out of any ideological believe or concern with social justice.

 

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I disagree Belushi. It was socialism but for people of their own kind only (national and same race). The red in the Nazi flag was included to symbol socialism.

 

[Binkie]

NS was like - you will all unite and be equally exploited under one capitalist state. The public never owned the means of production. They were slaves. Nothing in common with socialism.

 

[Belushi]

I disagree Belushi. It was socialism but for people of their own kind only (national and same race). The red in the Nazi flag was included to symbol socialism.

I have to disagree, with its lack of a class analysis and its accomodation with Capitalism and the market system there is nothing socialist in Nazism.

Corporatism is not the same thing as socialism.

 

[tbaldwin]

Do you think that 'we' should be banned from working and living abroad?
If every western worker was expelled from the middle east or wherever else we'd never here the end of it. What a terrible attack on human rights it would be!

Where it comes to skilled workers in poorer countries, the way to get better consequences is to have trade and development polcies that help these countries improve their situation. Which means taking on the IMF/World Bank/Washington consensus etc. Not by us building higher barriers.

Ist question. It depends on the consequences of people working abroad. Would you be in favour of a South African business that employed White UK residents in preference to Local Black people?

When it comes to skilled workers in poorer countries you need to encourage them to stay in those countries. Reparations and debt cancellation is part of it but so is not encouraging them to richer countries in the first place.

Free market migration policies as supported by George Bush and what passes as the Revolutionary Left in this country have had a devestating effect on developing nations. Lowering the barriers for those people means that poorer countries suffer and the vast majority of people in those countries will not be able to enjoy a better life in the west etc.
To support those policies is racist and just about as anti socialist as you can be.

 

[Firky]

No. Positive discrimination...

 

[mk12]

The KPD (communist party of germany) shared platforms with Nazis in the early 1920s.

You cannot be racist and socialist

Why not?

 

[mk12]

Ist question. It depends on the consequences of people working abroad. Would you be in favour of a South African business that employed White UK residents in preference to Local Black people?

When it comes to skilled workers in poorer countries you need to encourage them to stay in those countries. Reparations and debt cancellation is part of it but so is not encouraging them to richer countries in the first place.

Free market migration policies as supported by George Bush and what passes as the Revolutionary Left in this country have had a devestating effect on developing nations. Lowering the barriers for those people means that poorer countries suffer and the vast majority of people in those countries will not be able to enjoy a better life in the west etc.
To support those policies is racist and just about as anti socialist as you can be.

Not the fucking immigration debate again tbaldwin. You have your own thread for that

 

[tbaldwin]

Not the fucking immigration debate again tbaldwin. You have your own thread for that

Sorry Matt u know me,i cant leave it alone.
I think its crucial that well meaning people look at the effects of migration again. And look at the racist effects supporting free market migration policies has.

 

[Lock&Light]

I think the point is that while there is an argument about deskilling poorer countries, most people who argue that do so cos they're against immigration whatever the circumstances.

Do you really think that ALL those who suggest there might be a problem with deskilling poorer countries are really wolfish racists in sheep's clothing?

 

[subversplat]

Eacactly the same as me, except it was 1972! Then my Dad decided we'd all be happier in South Wales

Tut! Didn't your dad know that Australia has already got it's own South Wales and you could have simply moved there and saved all that hassle?

 

[Binkie]

Good point.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Racism is always associated with the far right but is that justified? Is there (or have there ever been) any Socialist or communist regimes that are opening racist?

China during its communist years was pretty racist/xenophobic...

 

[duncanh64]

It's pretty common for people to hold conflicting or contradictory positions; plenty of folk considered to be on the left have held what would generally be seen as racist views - HG Wells and Jack London are good examples. I'm sure I can remember reading years ago a piece by London where he says "I'm a racialist before I'm a socialist" or something along those lines.

Also remember the BBC doc series 'Windrush' where a 'trade union official' goes on about how British workers couldn't tolerate immigrants working alongside them because of, among other things, their 'strange washing habits'.