Harvard on Israel

[moono]

spin retaining;

well mongo, we aren't talking about WW2

The subject was the US military's propensity to deliberately kill women and children. There was no mention of a time frame, how could there be ? You want to make it between last Tuesday and Saturday afternoon ? Why haven't you stfu yet ? You're a bore and a loser.

 

[toggle]

well mongo, we aren't talking about WW2 we're talking about muslim suicide bombers over the last few years, they're the one who kill unarmed innocent women and children by choice, the same muslim terror scum that killed on the London tube and bus, I suppose you think thats a legit target but then you are a bigot and racist.

translation.

we won't talk about anything that might show that you are talking out of your arse.

 

[pin retaining]

spin retaining;


The subject was the US military's propensity to deliberately kill women and children. There was no mention of a time frame, how could there be ? You want to make it between last Tuesday and Saturday afternoon ? Why haven't you stfu yet ? You're a bore and a loser.

Well moo " Racist & Bigot" mongo , if we did make it as you suggest between tuesday and saturday it's only going to be muslim suicide terror scum that have been deliberatly murdering women and children.

 

[pin retaining]

translation.

we won't talk about anything that might show that you are talking out of your arse.

translation

you won't admit muslim suicide bomber scum murdered unarmed innocent people by choice in London on a bus and on the tube. But then your sort and type are usually blind to the truth. Maybe your a bigot and racist like mongo.

 

[tangentlama]

well mongo, we aren't talking about WW2 we're talking about muslim suicide bombers over the last few years, they're the one who kill unarmed innocent women and children by choice, the same muslim terror scum that killed on the London tube and bus, I suppose you think thats a legit target but then you are a bigot and racist.

well i thnk it's only you that hasn't caught up to the fact that targeting men, women and children civilian non-combattants is identifiably a war crime.

the thing with suicide bomging is that it exacts the death penalty against the perp and victims with approx. 5 bystanders killed for every one suicide bomber.

another thing is that targets such as military and politicians don't class as 'civilians' and so when the PLFP militia target Ze'evi, they weren't necessarily committing a 'war crime'. If they or the IDF/militias hit civilians during their operations, in the IDF's own words during the Jericho raid, it's called 'collateral damage'.

Ariel Sharon... by Robert Fisk

 

[moono]

spin retailing;

Well moo " Racist & Bigot" mongo , if we did make it as you suggest between tuesday and saturday it's only going to be muslim suicide terror scum that have been deliberatly murdering women and children.

OK, let's make it, say, Friday;

U.K. slams Israel over killing of 10-year-old Palestinian girl
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/695844.html

Now, will you stfu ?


Thanks for the Fisk link, tl.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Spot on.

not really they are anit israeli govermental and military actions it's not the same as being against a group of people in a (and here's a really good reason that you need to pay attention to the usage of words here) xenophobic action such as disliking a states populace. a racist action would require the hatred to be focased against and indivual race which would prescribe that israelis are all one race which is clearly not true as they are indeed made up from nearly all corners of the globe.

indeed to assume they are a race by their inherent relegion is indeed a racist action and one of a bigot... iroically the statement that dislike of israelies is racist which you have made is tantamount to an admission of your own racism....

good one dickwad...

 

[tangentlama]

Thanks for the Fisk link, tl.

from your link: "IDF sources said that an undercover Border Police unit entered the village, northeast of Jenin, in order to arrest wanted Islamic Jihad militants."

Undercover=Arabised 'Mista’aravim' special branch
'to arrest wanted Islamic Jihad Militants' - to assassinate 'wanted' suspects without trial. the Israelis have been using this policy since 1988. it's clearly documented by Human Rights Watch in 1993.

A License to Kill: Israeli Undercover Operations Against “Wanted” and Masked Palestinians

Undercover units of the Israeli army have been responsible for over 120 killings in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip since 1988. Many of the victims were shot while posing no serious imminent threat to soldiers or others. Through interviews with soldiers, court transcripts, analysis of the open-fire regulations and seventeen case studies from 1992-1993, we charge in A License to Kill that unjustified killings by undercover units are not aberrations; rather they constitute a pattern that could only continue with the complicity of the Israeli government. That pattern has continued during Yitzhak Rabin’s first year as prime minister. The officially stated mission of these units, whose members frequently disguise themselves as Palestinians, is to apprehend armed fugitives "with blood on their hands." In fact, many of the Palestinians killed by the undercover units are youths who are neither "wanted" nor carrying firearms, and who are shot when they are posing no immediate danger to the lives of others. We contend that Israeli soldiers who participate in the search for "wanted" and masked activists routinely violate both international norms governing the use of lethal force as well as the rules of engagement that the Israeli army professes to apply in the occupied territories. In fact, a parallel, officially denied set of open-fire regulations seems to have come into being that gives these soldiers permission to kill with virtual impunity.
HRW Index No.: ISBN 1-56432-109-6
August 1, 1993 Report

maybe they were angry at not finding any Jihadis to murder, so they shot a girl, hoping that would flush them into more rash acts against Israeli citizens. it looks like a pattern/policy to me. what were they doing sending undercover agents in to assassinate/capture wanted suspects for anyway. isn't that another flagrant disregard for the PA? at what point in the cycle of violence did an act like this, a repeat of so many flare-ups of violence in the past, become disregarded as a provocative act and free from criticism? isn't it time Israel stopped these extra-judicial acts in the Occupied Palestine? what do Israel say prevents them from following normal legal procedures? hasn't the Israeli Supreme Court already stated that these extra-judicial acts by Israel's Military and disregard for Israel's Laws and Palestine's autonomy and International Law are part of the problem?

 

[newharper]

Well moo " Racist & Bigot" mongo , if we did make it as you suggest between tuesday and saturday it's only going to be muslim suicide terror scum that have been deliberatly murdering women and children.

Hmmm,

"Iraqi police report details civilians' deaths at hands of U.S. troops"

"Iraqi police have accused American troops of executing 11 people, including a 75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant, in the aftermath of a raid last Wednesday on a house about 60 miles north of Baghdad. "

"But the report of the killings in the Abu Sifa area of Ishaqi, eight miles north of the city of Balad, is unusual because it originated with Iraqi police and because Iraqi police were willing to attach their names to it. "

"Brig. Gen. Issa al-Juboori, who heads the center, said that his office assembled the report on Thursday and that it accurately reflects the direction of the current police investigation into the incident. "

"According to police, military and eyewitness accounts, U.S. forces approached the house at around 2:30 a.m. and a firefight ensued. By all accounts, in addition to exchanging gunfire with someone inside the house, U.S. troops were supported by helicopter gunships, which fired on the house.
But the accounts differ on what took place after the firefight. "

"A local police commander, Lt. Col. Farooq Hussain, interviewed by a Knight Ridder special correspondent in Ishaqi, said autopsies at the hospital in Tikrit "revealed that all the victims had bullet shots in the head and all bodies were handcuffed." Efforts to reach hospital spokesmen Sunday were unsuccessful. "

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/14138923.htm

Well it's not yet totally certain, though I'll not be holding my breath on that account; however it looks a bit like "scum that have been deliberatly murdering women and children".

 

[pin retaining]

the thing with suicide bomging is that it exacts the death penalty against the perp and victims with approx. 5 bystanders killed for every one suicide bomber.

So you justify the london suicide bombings and all other suicide bombings because each bomber only kills 5 approx...dickhead.

 

[tangentlama]

the point of mentioning the 'death penalty' in relation to suicide bombers was to point out that there's nothing left of the perp to bring to justice.

although average deaths for each suicide bomber is approx. 5, many tens to hundreds have been wounded in these attacks, lost limbs, permanently disabled, needed organ transplants or invasive surgery.

if you look around, you'll see that when militia/military target civilians deliberately, it's still considered a war crime. if the attacks are against military or govt.targets, it's a different application of law (justice).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So you justify the london suicide bombings and all other suicide bombings because each bomber only kills 5 approx...dickhead.

please find a quote which supports it or retract this continued lie...

 

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translation

you won't admit muslim suicide bomber scum murdered unarmed innocent people by choice in London on a bus and on the tube. But then your sort and type are usually blind to the truth. Maybe your a bigot and racist like mongo.

that had better be a typo.

if not, I can see a banning in your future.

 

[pin retaining]

that had better be a typo.

if not, I can see a banning in your future.

Thanks for pointing out the typo, it should of course be you're and not your.

This is now correct "Maybe you're a bigot and racist like mongo."

 

[moono]

tl;

Undercover=Arabised 'Mista’aravim' special branch 'to arrest wanted Islamic Jihad Militants' - to assassinate 'wanted' suspects without trial. the Israelis have been using this policy since 1988. it's clearly documented by Human Rights Watch in 1993.

Yes. It needs more exposure.


spin retailing;

This is now correct "Maybe you're a bigot and racist like mongo."

Go back to the Underworld. Your tea's ready.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thanks for pointing out the typo, it should of course be you're and not your.

This is now correct "Maybe you're a bigot and racist like mongo."

Is that as opposed to being a bigot and a racist like you?

By the way, well done for correcting your spelling. Is there any chance you'll learn punctuation any time soon?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Thanks for pointing out the typo, it should of course be you're and not your.

This is now correct "Maybe you're a bigot and racist like mongo."

but your type is not amended so you are a racist then nice tactic admission...

 

[pin retaining]

Is that as opposed to being a bigot and a racist like you?

I fail to see how thinking that muslim suicide bombers are scum makes me a racist and bigot, I think that all terrorists are scum.

How come garfield the shit is still here, it's always getting banned what does it do to get back ? give the head honcho a blow job ?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I fail to see how thinking that muslim suicide bombers are scum makes me a racist and bigot, I think that all terrorists are scum.

How come garfield the shit is still here, it's always getting banned what does it do to get back ? give the head honcho a blow job ?

huh i have onlyy been banned once love..

More lies to add to your catilouge eh???

so are you a previous poster then who has a different log in ...

care to reveal you previous identity ...

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Hmm.

Odd comment to make for someone who's supposedly had very limited activity here.

 

[editor]

How come garfield the shit is still here, it's always getting banned what does it do to get back ? give the head honcho a blow job ?

I don't know who the fuck you are, but I reckon you won't be staying long.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I fail to see how thinking that muslim suicide bombers are scum makes me a racist and bigot, I think that all terrorists are scum.

And yet you continually emphasise "Muslim".

Now if you were so het up by the matter of suicide bombers per se, then why the continual (unnecessary) emphasis on the faith they happen to have been born into?

How about IRGUN, were they "scum", or do you make an exception for them?

How come garfield the shit is still here, it's always getting banned what does it do to get back ? give the head honcho a blow job ?

Now there's an odd thing for someone who's supposedly only been on this board for 6 months to say.

Your punctuation is still appalling btw. You're not a very good advert for private education, are you?

 

[pin retaining]

I don't know who the fuck you are, but I reckon you won't be staying long.

OOOHHH hark at the ediot.

I've been here since the pop bitch wars and the wanker from walworth is still the most boring cretin on U75, you think he'd do the world a favour and top himself.

Remember folks the Phalange rule OK

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Bloody hell, thought you'd finally fucked off. Apparently not.

 

[pk]

Bloody hell, thought you'd finally fucked off. Apparently not.

Is that the desperate cunt who murdered Arab kids under Sharon's orders?

Fucking hell, what a tool. Thought he'd killed himself by now.

There's always hope...

 

[moono]

So, he finally stfu. Kewl.

 

[pk]

Yup. Again.

Must be the third or fourth time now... he appears once a year, talks shit, then gets banned once it's established who he is - i.e. a surplus cunt....

 

[moono]

So, in the short space of time in which the paper has been available the Israel Lobby have succeeded in having America's foremost education institution, Harvard, withdraw its logo from the letterhead and announce that it is distancing itself from the paper's conclusions.

There is an edited and reshaped version of the paper here;

The Israel Lobby John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

I forsee that attempts to stifle the paper will publicise it far beyond the imaginings of its authors.

 

[cemertyone]

Yeah, but watch out for some subtle (and some not so subtle) attacks on the academics who conducted that research in the near future. It'll happen, sure as eggs is eggs.

Have to hand it to you over your prediction V.P.
Todays Guardian

" US professors accused of being liars and bigots over essay on pro- Israeli lobby

And so the firestorm begins....
And of course its being lead by none other than Israeli`s chief apoligist in the USA Mr Alan Dershowitz.
The same man who recently told Newsnight that he favoured the use of torture on suspected terrorists..not my difference there from the policies of the IDF.

 

[tangentlama]

Alan Dershowitz, whose book The Case for Israel was full of factual/historical inaccuracies?


more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz-Finkelstein_affair

wonder if Dershowitz ever paid that $10,000 to the PLO? they sure could use it now.